ah so thats what it is... Im quite useless at this stuff myself i was just handed all the medals and i did my best to work them out. I dont know wether to get the Iron cross professionaly restored to its former glory or what i dont want to devalue it any what would you suggest along those lines ? I know restoring it may cost abit but for something as historical as a iron cross it could be worth it even if it was worn through many a battle during ww2