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Chris,

Another nice document.  Here are a few dates of possible interest.  I could find no mention of him in the 1914-1918 IR 111 regimental history.

Andy

Gustav Tilger  (29.11.1862-29.03.1925)

22.05.15               als Kom. d. I. Ers./Inf. R. 111 d. Char. als Major erhalt.

1914                       Kaufmann in Leipzig

23.03.01               Hptm.d.R. d. FR 40

18.11.93               Prem.Lt. d.R. d. FR 40

14.08.84               Sek.Lt. d.R. d. FR 40

David,

In the MWB Nr. 163/164, dated 5 April 1917, Louis' naming as a "Ritter" of the Johanniter Orden was published.  So, we know the photo was taken after that approximate date.

Andy

Matt,

He was born 27.02.1887.  He received at least these:  HOH3X, BZ3bX, BMV4X

Andy

His EK2 shows up in the 1818 Rangliste and all subsequent ones.  Also, the painting shows him as a Major rather than as a Sec.Lt.  The silver "fringe" on the epaulettes is the clue.  So, the painting was completed after his retirement in 1841.

Laurentius,

There is only one officer named "Leber" in the 1817 Rangliste.  He was a Sec.Lt. and adjutant of the 4. Art. Brig.  He retired on 11 August 1841 still a captain in the 5. Art. Brig.  He was given the "Charakter" as a Major upon retirement.

His awards in the 1841 Rangliste are   EK2  PDK and RG5.  I think this is the man you are looking for.  His RG5 is listed in the 1817 Rangliste as well, but no EK2 yet.  He seems to have received it a few years later, not an uncommon occurrence.

Andy

Roman,

I found the missing date:

19.06.14            m. Wahrnehmung. d. Geschäfte d. Dir. d. Art. Werkst. i. Lippstadt beauftr.

Andy

Roman,

Such a wonderful set deserves as much information about the owners as possible.  So, here is what I have on father and son. 

Unfortunately, I can not find the dates he transferred to Lippstadt.  also, note that he entered the army in IR 22, his father's last regiment but switched to the field artillery upon commissioning as a Leutn.

Andy

Ferdinand Metze  (18.07.1878-02.11.1964)

1951               Zivil Ingenieur, Bremen, Joseph Haydn Str. 24

1942               Major a.D., Zivil Ingen., Handelsvertreter, Bremen,  Joseph Haydn Str. 24

1930               Major a.D., Zivil Ingen., Bremen, Geisbergstr. 10

19.06.12-1914       Verw. Mitgl. d. Art. Werkst. i. Spandau

16.07.09-19.06.12   k.z. Dienstl. b.d. Art. Werkst. i. Spandau

01.10.07-15.07.09   k.z. Militärtechn. Akad.

1907-01.10.07       k.z. Art. u. Ing. Sch.

1905-1906           in 5./Feldart. R. 36  (Danzig)

1903-1904           in 6./Feldart. R. 36  (Danzig)

1902               in 4./Feldart. R. 36  (Danzig)

18.08.99-1901       in 1./Feldart. R. 36  (Danzig)

18.08.99            als Leutn. in Feldart. R. 36 vers.

08.10.98            Port. Fähnr. in Inf. R. 22

 Hptm.     01-10-13 M35m*

Oberlt.   17-09-09 J6i

Leutn.    18-08-99 F3f

*ern.     19-06-12

  Adolph Metze  (12.02.1848-29.01.1920)

18.04.99            d. Absch. m. Pens. u.d. Erlaubn. z. Tr. d. Unif. d. Inf. R. 17 bew.

22.03.97            etatsm. St. Offiz. im Inf. R. 22

22.03.97            Oberstlt.

18.06.92            Kom. d. I. u. IV./Inf. R. 63

18.11.90            überzähliger Major im Inf. R. 17

12.03.81-18.11.90   Chef 8./Inf. R. 17

12.03.81            Hptm.

11.03.73            Prem.Lt.

12.07.66            Sek.Lt.

09.12.65            Port. Fähnr.

18.04.65            als char. Port. Fähnr. v. Kad. K. d. Inf. R. 17 überw.

1866:  Gefecht von Münchengrätz,  Schlacht b. Königgrätz

1871:     26.07.70-08.06.71   beim Ersatz Batl. d. IR 17

1 hour ago, laurentius said:

I doubt that. The RAO4x was only given out during 1864 and 1866 (von Hindenburg received one for Königgratz). The only other recipients served in the colonies, given the lack of decorations that point in that direction I doubt that. Not to mention that Germany barely had any colonies at this point (circa 1880).

Kind regards, Laurentius

Not to make this more complicated, but Laurentius' statement that the PRAO4mSchw was only awarded in 1864 and 1866 (prior to the colonial period, of course) is a widely held misconception.  I have identified 312 recipients of that award for events surrounding the events of 1848/49. and not all of them were Prussians, either. 

Andy

Andreas,

 Soweit ich feststellen kann, gab es keinen Offizier namens Meißner mit einer Verbindung zur Kraftfahrtruppen in 1914.  Weder einen preußischen, württembergischen, sächsischen, bayerischen, noch aktiv, Reserve oder Landwehr.

Es gab nur 2 Offiziere der Reichswehr im Range eines Hauptmanns oder höher namens Meißner.  Einer war 1923-1925 Hptm./Major im 10. Inf. R., 1926 b. Komdtr. d. Tr.Üb.Pl. Königsbrück und 1927-1928 Batl. Kom. im 10. Inf. R..  Der zweite war 1923 Hptm. u. Lehr. a.d. Art. Sch.
Andy

Albert Schmeckebier, Gefreiter in d. 1. Feld Pion. Komp. des 3. Armee Korps was awarded the EKII.

I believe that is the signature of 

General der Flieger Rudolf BOGATSCH
01.02.39-16.05.42     Befehlshaber d. Heeresfliegerverbände, General d. Luftwaffe beim Oberbefehlshaber d. Heeres u. Inspekteur d. Aufklärungsflieger/ RLM

Andy

Nicolas,

Here is his career

Andy

Arthur Gaede  (12.02-1881-??)

1940               Major a.D., Berlin W 15, Meierottostr. 6

1925               Major a.D., Berlin-Steglitz, Humboldtstr. 13,  an d. Dresdener Bank

03.04.20            m. Char. als Major u.d. Erlaubn. z. Tr.  d. Unif. d. Inf. R. 42 verabsch.

1914/18             Komp. Führ. Res. Inf. R. 9, Führ. III./Ers. Inf. R. Königsberg I (später Inf. R. 377), II./Inf. R. 372  u. I./Landw. Inf. R. 78

01.10.13-02.08.14   b. St. III./Inf. R. 42  (Greifswald)

1913-01.10.13       in 8./Gren. R. 3  (Königsberg)

1912               in 9./Gren. R. 3  (Braunsberg)

1910-1911           in 6./Gren. R. 3  (Königsberg)

1909                in 5./Gren. R. 3  (Königsberg)

01.10.07-1908       in 4./Gren. R. 3  (Königsberg)

[04.08.06           b. Fettkluft schw. verw.]

16.08.05-30.09.07   in 1. Feld Regt. d. Schutztr. f. SWA

1905-15.08.05       k.z. Dienstl. b. Pion. B. 9

1904               in 7./Inf. R. 84  (Hadersleben)

1902-1903           in 3./Inf. R. 84  (Schleswig)

17.10.99-1901       in 4./Inf. R. 84  (Schleswig)

17.10.99            Leutn.

27.01.99            Fähnr.

01.05.98            als Fahnenj. in Inf. R. 84 eingetr.

Hptm.     01-10-13 N44n

Oberlt.   17-09-09 D17d

Leutn.    17-10-99 Tt

Nicolas,

You are very welcome.  It is unfortunate that history tends to gloss over the contributions of those who did not serve on the front lines.  Efforts of men such as Strehle to produce and improve the weapons and ammunition vital to the war effort are largely ignored.  However, awards such as those he received show the importance of their work to those who understood their true value. 

Congratulations on a very nice set of bars!!!

Andy

I just read a PM which chided me for not responding to a post.  Here then is my response:

Your initial response did not answer the question I posed, which was, why did a Leibregiment not have a sovereign as its "Chef" as you claimed.  Kindly grant me the consideration that I know why IR 117 and others were named the way there were.
 
Nevertheless, thank you for personally invalidating your earlier statement that Leibregimenter were so named because a sovereign was their "Chef"  A Großherzogin, be it a wife or mother, was no sovereign.  

In order to avoid such issues in the future,  perhaps use qualifying statements such as "generally speaking" or "in most instances."  Sweeping generalizations do nothing to further an accurate understanding of history.

Nicolas,

Here is his short pre-war career.  Sorry, nothing definitive about his wartime service, though, as Daniel said, he served with WUMBA, like the vast majority of those officers within the "technischen Instituten"

Andy

Robert Strehle  (10.05.1879-??)

22.03.14-1914       Verwaltungsmitglied d. Feuerw. Lab. i. Siegburg

01.10.08-22.03.14   k.z. Dienstl. b. Feuerw. Lab. i. Siegburg

01.10.05-30.09.08   k.z. Militärtechn. Akad.

27.01.02-01.10.05   in 6./Feldart. R. 67  (Bischweiler)

27.01.02            Leutn.

23.03.01            Fähnr.

 Hptm.     08-10-14 S16s*

Oberlt.   27-01-11 L8l

Leutn.    27-01-02 Kk

*ern.     22-03-14

Laurentius,

I am confident that is Karl Friedrich von Winterberger.  He began his military career in the Großherzogl. Sächs. Inf. R. and then joined IR 59 in 1867.  His last assignment was as commander of Landw. Bez. Weilburg (15.05.1883-15.11.1887).

He was born in Weimar on 09.03.1833 and died 12.09.1920 in Weilburg.

Glenn beat me to the punch!

Andy

1 hour ago, GreyC said:

No. Leibregiment is not the same as Leibgarde. Leibregimenter got the name, because the sovereign of a state was the regiment´s chief. 

 

If this is the case, please explain to me why in 1914 Inf. R. 117 was named "Infanterie Leibregiment Großherzogin?"  She was certainly not the sovereign of Hessen, and why was Inf. R. 115 named "Leibgarde Infanterie Regiment" with the Großherzog of Hessen as its "Chef?"

Andy

Hermann,

Here are a few dates  to help with your research.

Andy

Karl Leichenstern  (29.03.1847-30.11.1924)

01.04.01-16.05.02             Kom. d. 10. Inf. Brig.

[01.04.01                              Nummertausch]

02.06.99-01.04.01             Kom. d. 8. Inf. Brig.

17.07.96-02.06.99             Kom. d. 10. Inf. R.

 1871                                    in 5. Jäg. B.

 Gen.Maj.             02-06-99

Oberst                  17-07-96

Oberstlt.              12-04-94

Major                    19-12-88

Hptm.                   30-11-79

Prem.Lt.               01-08-66

Sek.Lt.                  20-05-66

Chris,

 I think this is Munich.

in 1914 there was a Bankhaus Sigmund Klopfer (name on the sign on the building to the left) in Münich at Schützenstrasse 7. 

Schützenstraße led/leads directly to the Hauptbahnhof, which would certainly be a destination for these guys. 

Not that it matters, but I lived about two blocks from here for several years not that long ago and am rather familiar with the area.

Andy

Thanks, Dave.

Andy

Gents,

In the 1935 list of Ergänzungs Offiziere you'll find this entry.  The same holds true for the 1939 Stellenbestzung.  This could be your man.  Breithülen is in Württemberg.

Andy

Nicolas,

Here is his short career:

Andy

Paul Seeler  (30.10.1879-11.10.1914)

11.10.14            b. Urbantatschen gef.

02.08.14-11.10.14   Führ. 2./Res. Inf. R. 5

04.07.14-02.08.14   b. St. F./Gren. R. 5  (Danzig)

19.06.14-04.07.14   überz. Hptm. in Füs. R. 90

01.10.13-19.06.14   in 10./Füs. R. 90  (Rostock)

17.12.08-01.10.13   Adj. d. Füs. R. 90  (Rostock)

1906-17.12.08       Adj. II./Füs. R. 90  (Wismar)

1905               in 6./Füs. R. 90  (Wismar)

18.08.00-1904       in 3./Füs. R. 90  (Rostock)

18.08.00            Leutn.

16.11.99            Fähnr.

Hptm.     19-06-14

Oberlt.   27-01-10 N11n

Leutn.    18-08-00 Z8z

Hello Claudio,

As usual, your taste in bars is exquisite!  As I have said before, a bar this nice deserves to have its original owner identified as fully as possible.  So, here is his Wichard's pre-war career.

Andy

Wichard Winkelmann  (25.01.1871-29.01.1940)

29.01.40            in Hannover gest.

18.04.13-1914       Adj. d. 9. Fest. Insp. (Graudenz), v. 2. Ing. Insp.

19.07.11-18.04.13   z. Fortif. Dienst in Cöln v. 4. Ing. Insp.

[27.01.09           PRAO4mKr]

[00.02.08           SE4]

[00.10.07           SLH3]

27.01.07-19.07.11   Chef 4./Pion. B. 10  (Minden)

24.04.04-27.01.07   in 4./Pion. B. 10  (Minden)

17.05.02-24.04.04   z. Fortif. Dienst in Metz v. 4. Ing. Insp.

1901-17.05.02       in 1./Pion. B. 3  (Spandau)

01.10.98-1900       in 4./Pion. B. 3  (Spandau)

01.10.97-30.09.98   k.z. Dienstl. b. Gren. R.12

01.10.95-00.07.97   k.z. Art. u. Ing. Sch.

18.04.93-01.10.95   in 2./Pion. B. 3  (Torgau)

18.04.93            Sek.Lt.

18.08.92            Port. Fähnr.

09.01.92            in Pion. B. 3 eingetr.

25.01.71            in Gardelegen geb.

Major     18-04-16 U

Hptm.     27-01-10 Cc*

Oberlt.   22-04-02 M3m**

Leutn.    18-04-93 Aa

*ern.     27-01-07

**ern.    15-12-00

1 hour ago, scottplen said:

Still waiting on bar to show up from Germany! Anyone have trouble with DHL transfer to US post office ? Last tracking scan April 1 Frankfort   

Never had one take this long ?

In December I ordered books from Germany and they were sent off via DHL.  Despite my efforts with the US Post Office and the seller's attempts no one could figure out where the books were.  In March, the books just showed up.  There was a note attached saying the delivery could not be made in Jan!.   But, miraculously, they were delivered in March.

I believe but can not prove, that the fact my address  was handwritten, our post office workers could not decipher the handwriting, even though it was clear, to include the ZIP code.   They just rejected it.

My only advice to you is wait, wait and wait some more.  Also, in the future ask your seller to type the address if that is not something they ordinarily do.

It's maddening to have to wait so long, but I fear that the level of effort put forth these days by the USPS leaves a great deal to be desired.

Andy

As I have been watching this thread, Glenn, as usual,  provided the clearest explanation of a very confusing topic.  The assertion that the "GFM was reserved for winning a battle" simply does not hold up.  If it were so, how does one explain the promotions of three of the four GFMs listed in the 1914 Rangliste??  We can certainly exclude Prince Arthur, but what battles did Gr. v. Haeseler, v. Bock u. Polach, or v.d. Goltz win?  

Perhaps we should simply accept that there were no hard and fast rules and that Wilhelm II might simply have decided that his army ought to have a GFM or two.  Hope as we may, not all questions have a definitive, evidence-based answer.