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He was born 03.12.1825 in Cöln and died 17.12.1871 in Düsseldorf.

Andy

Chris,

I've gone through the 1917 Verordnungsblatt but could not find any item from the Milit. Kabinett with that date.

However, there are many requests for the current location of EK recipients. As an example, on page 54 article "Nr. 116. Nachforschung nach Inhabern des Eisernen Kreuzes II. Klasse." 31 Januar 1917

This requests the location of certain NCOs who received the EKII in 1915. The last sentence of the item states:

"Behufs Ausstellung der für das Militärkabinett bestimmten Auszüge wird um Angabe an Obost ersucht, wo sich die Genannten jetzt befinden."

This same sentence is used at the end of each of the requests regarding EK recipients, and there does not seem to be any indications that the soldiers were wounded.

Perhaps we might assume that the Militärkabinett was attempting to document each award of the EK and the fate of the recipients??? Your document seems to fulfill that requirement.

I'll keep looking for the actual document.

Andy

Ingo,

Unfortunately, his entry in the Stammliste of the GFR does not give his place of birth.

Andy

Ingo,

v. Schlichting was born 24.07.1832 and died 22.11.1867. I do not have dates for v. Pogrell

Andy

Joe,

It's interesting that both yours and mine have different numbers. Perhaps the second part was only issued at mobilization, which might explain why the numbers do not match and that part is marked "GEHEIM" by the publisher. Interesting to say the least!

Andy

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Joe,

I've had a copy of the "Anhaltspunkte für den Generalstabsdienst" for a number of years. It is marked "Nur für den Dienstgebrauch" and stamped "GEHEIM" (presumably after mobilization). My edition was printed in 1914 and is numbered "49" The second part, "Taschenbuch des Generalstabsoffiziers", marked "GEHEIM" is numbered 84.

I'd be curious to know the numbers of your copy- just to get a sense of how many might have been published each year.

Thanks,

Andy

In 1914 he was a Leutnant in HR 4. Promoted Leutnant 27.01.1910, Oberlt. 18.09.1915 and Rittm. 18.10.1918.

Andy

Chris,

While not a medal guy, I think that's a wonderful EK with a nice bit of history behind it. Fine acquisition!

Andy

Yes, both with Pion. B. (during the war Pion. Regt.) 20

Andy

Chris,

Ludwig Böshenz was promoted Leutnant, without commission on 05.12.1915. He was promoted Oberlt. on 18.10.1918. The 1919 seniority list gives his DOR as a Leutn. of 23.06.1913.

There was also an Oskar Bözhenz in the same unit. He is listed an an "ernannter Leutn." 19.05.1918 in the 1919 seniority list.

Andy

Andy,

I have always been impressed with your knowledge of the Prussian army. So, I am rather confused by your statement above that "there was no Garde Füsilier Regiment" There certainly was. What makes you say that it did not exist??

Andy

Karsten,

Wonderful photographs- well worth the wait!!!

Andy

Christer,

Here are his significant assignments

4. San. Insp. 10.09.1908-19.07.1911

Garde K. 29.05.1906-10.09.1908

X. AK 18.04.1903-29.05.1906

2. Garde Div. 18.08.1900-18.04.1903

39. Div. 28.03.1899-18.08.1900

Andy

I used the Ranglisten for the years 1888-1914 and also the Militär Wochenblatt 1886-1914 for dates of assignment.

For his dates of command of Gren. R.z.Pf. 3 and date of birth I used:

Günther Wegner "Die Stellenbesetzungen der aktiven Regimenter, Bataillone und Abteilungen von der Stiftung bzw. Aufstellung bis zum 26. August1939", Biblio Verlag, Osnabrück 1993 page 52.

No, that's all I have.

Here are his career highlights:

10.02.18-12.03.18 Commander of Gren. Regt. zu Pferde 3

18.04.13-1914 Adjutant in 1. Kavallerie Inspektion

10.04.06-18.04.13 squadron commander in Ulan R. 14

22.03.03-13.02.06 squadron commander in Gren. Regt. zu Pferde 3

17.09.87-17.05.02 squadron officer in Hus. R. 16

18.03.86 left the Corps of Cadets, attached to Husaren R. 16

Oberstlt. 22-03-18

Major 27-01-13

Rittm 17-05-02

Oberlt. 12-09-95

Leutn 17-09-87

He was born 05.12.1865 in Berlin.

Andy

Claudio,

Yet another wonderful bar, congratulations!

Carl von der Hellen was born 27.11.1879 in Rotterdam, son of a salesman.

He graduated the Corps of Cadets in 1898 and was commissioned a Sek.Lt. in IR 91 on 18.08.1899. Oberlt. on 17.09.1909 and Hptm. 01.10.1913.

He was a battalion and regimental adjutant as well. He finished the war as a Hptm. The 1916 Gotha Briefadel. Taschenbuch lists him as a "Brigade Adjutant"

He died on 12.04.1969 in Oldenburg. The 1978 directory of former cadets mentioned that he was an Oberstlt. a.D., so, we can assume he was reactivated during the war.

Andy

Matt,

He was promoted Leutn.d.R. d. FAR 49 on 21-09-1909 and Oberlt. d.R. on 22-10-1915. On 09.12.1916 he received a württemberg award while

assigned to Artillerie Flieger Abteilung 225. He died 06-03-1968.

Andy

Hugo Meiler (*14.06.1877 in Schongau)

24.10.00 Leutn.

25.06.10 Oberlt.

02.08.14 Führ. 7./b. Res. Fußart. R. 1

20.10.14 Hptm.

20.08.15 wounded

28.09.15 left hospital and returned to 7./bay. Res. Fußart. R. 1

01.12.16 transferred as commander of I./2. bay. Fußart. R.

11.02.18-20.03.18 instructor of a gunnery course at Grafenwöhr

20.03.18 returned to I./2. bay. Fußart. R.

27.01.19 assigned to the "Bespannungs" Abtl. of 1. bay. Fußart. R.

11.03.19 transferred to the staff of 1. bay. Fußart. R.

15.06.19 referent for returning POWs in the Ministry for Military Affairs

09.10.19 attached to the "Abwicklungsstelle" (demobilization staff) of 1. bay. Fußart, R.

09.04.20 left military service

MVO4mschw 23.11.14

EK2 27.09.14

EK1 31.03.16

Österr. Mil. Verd. Kreuz II. Kl. m. KD 25.08.15

PHOvH3mSchw 10.06.18

From several of his entries on ancestry.com.

Andy

That is Constantin von Schnehen (1829-1915). In 1866 he was in the Hannoverian Guard Husar Regiment. In 1867 he joined the Saxon Garde Reiter Regiment. His last assignment was as commander of Husar. R. 19. from 19.03.1874-27.01.1882. That regiment was named the 2. Reiter Regiment until 17.12.1875.

Andy

Chris,

It is indeed a small world. In late June, I exchanged e-mails with a German collector who was considering purchasing items attributed to this Leutn. Haverkamp (to include a GIBRALTAR sleeveband and decorations). There was a letter describing him and his mention in Jünger's book.

What I discovered then was that there was an Offizier-Aspirant des Beurlaubtenstandes Haverkamp (von Landwehr Bezirk Bremen) who was promoted Leutn.d.R. d. Inf. R. 75 on 22.05.1915. I believe this is the man in question even though it appears he never was assigned to FR 73.

Andy

Andreas,

I believe he is Adolf Fach (*30.05.1849 in Dingelsdorf (Baden) The 1899 Almanach of military musicians shows all these awards except the Baden Zähr. Löwen.

In 1899 he was the Obermusikmeister d. bay. 1. Inf. R.

01.06.1866 in Bad. Gren. R. 110 eingetr.

Kgl. Bay.Obermusikmmeister 31.07.1890, Mil. Mus. Dir. 14.12.1888, Musikmeister 13.12.1886, Stabshoboist 21.03.1877

Andy

...

The lack of first names is the hallmark of contemporary Prussian sources and later works based on them. This makes researching the Prussians maddeningly slow and challenging.

If the book you are looking for is that compilation of awards listed in the Militär Wochenblatt (MWB) during the war, you will be faced with the same problem- no first names!!! In those cases of a common name, it's next to impossible to know from this list which family member was given an award. Realize ahead of time that it will be rather frustrating looking for a particular individual. That said, using other sources such as the MWB themselves can be more informative, as the often, but not always, give the type (i.e. reserve regiment, Brigade, division, etc) of unit under the officer's command. This can be helpful if you know that man's rank and unit and general date pf the award.

As you work longer in this area, you will discover that there are sources of names, but they are hard to find and expensive. While there is an amazing amount of information available on the web today, it's not all there.

If you have a specific question, post it on this forum. Several members should be able to assist.

Andy