drspeck

Do miniature medals count? This miniature medalbar to Adolphus of Teck is in my collection. The gold 1897 medal makes this unique or otherwise very rare.

Best. Peter

Dear all,

Received this item recently. It's in pretty rough shape, having been cut from it's metal frame of which the traces of rust remain. Since it's cut all along the edge except for the vertical part, it folds open. Fragile. Difficult to get the colors right on every photo.

There are examples on GMIC and the net with similar eagles but not exactly this combination, so I thought I'd post it here.

Any thoughts? Good, bad, ugly or a combination of these?

Best. Peter

Here's what's currently on Ebay.

The following was recently posted on ebay

Here's what's currently on the evil-bay

Here's another one of those Staegemeir appraised pieces

These are the ribbon bars of Erich Hippke with the Yoke and Arrows on the second row. Best. Peter

Looks like yet another account on the evil-bay is selling this stuff

10 hours ago, v.Perlet said:

Hello drspeck,

 

what is wrong with the H badge? - since I don't know this badge at all

 

Regards

v.Perlet

I don't have any knowledge about this badge so I wouldn't be able to tell if it's ok or not, BUT since it is sold by a notorious faker, chances are it's a fake. That's also what this thread is also about, to give people a heads up to be carefull about anything that is for sale by these notorious fakers.

Best. Peter

These are the latest additions on the evil-bay

2 hours ago, The Prussian said:

Hans v. Welser was Hauptmann der Landwehr. In the war-time he was "Höherer Zivilverwaltungsbeamter der Etappen-Inspektion 6" und "Kaiserlicher Geheimer Regierungsrat".

(Higher Civil Administrative Officer of Etappen-Inspektion 6" and "Imperial Privy Councillor of the Government."

Nice, thanks for the information

Nice thread

Here's my small contribution; this identification disc belonged to the later secretary of state Hans Freiherr von Welser. See also the following wiki page for a small bio (link). I also have 2 of his ribbons bars, please see the following GMIC page: link.
 

His disc says "B.Etapp.-Inspt.". I think this means Etappen-Inspektion or Inspektor. The "B" might mean "Bayerische". Please correct me if this is not the correct interpretation. The "Etappengebiete" were the areas that were used to (re)supply the front, so Hans was in some capacity involved with the supply of the army. I cannot find any records of his wartime period so I do not know what formal role he had. Interestingly, I did find his name on several French wartime proclamations from Cambrai, with a reference to the Cambrai Etappe, see also the following page: link.
 

Best. Peter

Here is a ribbon bar set attributed to Otto Ciliax showing the Mehdauia Order. Best. Peter

On 16/01/2022 at 19:10, dcollect said:

piece nr 2 came to me with a fake ribbon so i find it very strange .

 

I wouldn't worry to much about fake ribbons, it happens, pieces get complemented. Sellers sometimes just want to upgrade an original piece to make some more bucks but it doesn't say anything about the medal in question.

Best. Peter

1 hour ago, CollectorInTheUSA said:

I am thinking specifically of "Hermann Historica" and "Ratisbon's".  

 

Are they reliable?  Are their experts knowledgeable?  Do you ever see fakes showing up at their auctions?

These are very good and honest questions. Generally speaking I think it's good to be sceptical - it should not have to be this way of course, but it's almost impossible not to be sceptical.

My expertise lies primairily in ribbon bars. I have seen major auction houses sell post-ww2 made ribbon bars as originals. I know Ratisbon's does not have much expertise on this subject, but they are open to feedback. Over the past years I have pointed them several times to irregularities and they always changed the description of that particular item.

Best.Peter.

1 hour ago, BlackcowboyBS said:

I can confirm the award of the KC 2nd class of Henry the Lion to Kressmann on 10.th September 1909

 

Nice, thanks for taking the time to look up this information

3 hours ago, Dave Danner said:

It could also be someone in a Baden regiment who followed a mixed Prussian/Baden precedence (Prussian orders followed by Baden orders, followed by Prussian service decorations/medals, followed by Baden service decorations/medals, followed by everything else).

 

That's based on my assumption that the third ribbon is a faded DA ribbon, and not a Crown Order. Splitting Prussian orders would not make sense, and the blue on the reverse of the bar appears darker.

 

If the last ribbon is the Henry the Lion, a possibility is Willy Berthold Johannes Kreßmann (*1.7.1866 in Stettin, †30.8.1914 in Wadelincourt). He died of wounds received at Sedan on 29. August as the commander of I./RIR 69. He was in IR 113 from 1893 to 1913, transferring to IR 69 on his promotion to Major on 27.1.1913. He is the only one in my Baden Jubilee Medal list with this combination of awards, and since he died so early in the war, his prewar ribbon bar would likely not have been updated with any wartime awards.

Dave, thanks for the information. I hadn't looked at it that way but it does make sense not to split the Prussian orders. Interesting name

Dear all,

Just wanted you to show my most recent purchase, an old style ribbon bar pulled from the evil-bay. Is it for a Badener? And any thoughts on what that last ribbon could be?

Best. Peter

This EK1 was recently posted.

This one has was added recently on the evil-bay

11 hours ago, 91-old-inf-reg said:

@drspeck and a Godet bar to boot! This is an amazing bar! I love the enameled RAO crown! Both attachments made of real silver to! Congratulations!

 

Thanks

14 hours ago, Glenn J said:

Hi Peter,

 

as is often the case with noble double names, he is listed in the index twice with a reference to the primary surname. The listing you show says “von Neuburg, siehe (s.) or see Frhr. Thumb. This means look under Frhr. Thumb (page 1578 in the name index). He would be generally known as and referred to under the name of Thumb and not Neuburg.

 

incidentally, I believe he was originally a Royal Württemberg cavalry officer, entering Prussian service in 1885/86.

 

Regards

Glenn

Glenn,

I did not know that so I learned something new today, thanks

Best, Peter

57 minutes ago, Glenn J said:

Not sure why you could not find him the Prussian Ranglisten. This his is final entry in the last peacetime edition of 1914 as the commander of 8. Kavallerie-Brigade. The General (1855-1933) rose to the rank of Generalleutnant (18.6.17) and command of the 4. Kavallerie-Division.

Hi Glenn,

Thanks for the information. This is the entry of his family name in the Namenverzeichnis of the Rank list of 1914 - only a last name, no firsit name and no page reference, so it left my guessing which page to look for. 03Fahnen pointed me to the right direction ? Von Neuburg can be found on page 66 of the 1914 Prussian Rank list.

Best. Peter

10 minutes ago, Glenn J said:

Baron Thumb was a former 2. Garde-Ulanen officer. In Daniel's picture he wears the uniform of a Rittmeister of the Detachement Garde-Jäger zu Pferde of which he was the detachment commander in 1898. The detachment was subordinated to the Leib-Garde-Husaren-Regiment in Potsdam.

 

Regards

Glenn

 

 

Nice, thanks Glenn

1 hour ago, Daniel Krause said:

...and here you have a fitting face to the bar ?

 

best,

Daniel

 

Nice

What kind of bandoleer/belt is he wearing by the way across the chest?

Also, does anyone have some more information on von Neuburg? I cannot find him in the Prussian rank lists.

22 hours ago, Daniel Krause said:

Hi Peter, 

 

No Alvensleben.

It belonged to General Georg Hartmann Freiherr THUMB v.NEUBURG

 

Best,

Daniel
 

Daniel, that is a very nice Chritsmas gift, thank you very much

Thank you all for the additional information, it's a very nice family name for research

Best, Peter