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This ribbon bar came in recently ?

 

Best. Peter

Dear all,

 

I recently picked up this old style ribbon bar at auction. It came with a name (von Alvensleben) but after checking the 1903, 1907 and 1914 Prussian rank lists I have not found a von Alvensleben with this combination, so either I'm looking in the wrong way or spot - maybe needing glasses ? - or it's a different name. Anyone any ideas? Any help much appreciated.

 

Best. Peter

This one was added today

 

 

They are at it again, a big haul this time ???

 

 

Here's what they currenly have on the Evil-bay, part 1

Part 2

Part 3

Part 4

42 minutes ago, ccj said:

Guys, surely someone has generals insignia, helmets, and/or uniform items to share.

 

Hi. Do these count?

Best. Peter

His career from the Oocities website (link)

 

Entered Army Service (01 Apr 1893)
One Year Volunteer in the 132nd Infantry-Regiment (01 Apr 1893-01 Apr 1894)
Fahnenjunker in the 132nd Infantry-Regiment (01 Apr 1894-01 Oct 1897)
Battalion-Adjutant in the 132nd Infantry-Regiment (01 Oct 1897-01 Oct 1900)
Court-Officer in the 132nd Infantry-Regiment (01 Oct 1900-19 Jun 1909)
Detached to the War Academy (01 Oct 1903-00 Jul 1906)
Detached to the Grand General Staff (22 Mar 1907-01 Oct 1908)
Hauptmann in the 171st Infantry-Regiment (19 Jun 1909-17 Sep 1909)
Company-Chief in the 171st Infantry-Regiment (17 Sep 1909-01 Oct 1913)
Detached to the Grand General Staff (19 Jul 1913-15 Aug 1913)
Assigned to the Grand General Staff and Detached to the General-Staff of the I. Army-Corps as Abwehr-Officer (01 Oct 1913-00 Aug 1914)
Abwehr-Officer in the General-Staff of the 8th Army (00 Aug 1914-00 May 1915)
Abwehr-Officer with the General-Staff of the Commander-in-Chief East (00 May 1915-00 Jan 1917)
Abwehr-Officer with the Staff of the Chief of the General Staff of the Field-Army (00 Jan 1917-01 Oct 1919)
In the RWM (01 Oct 1919-01 Apr 1927)
Director of the Defence-Department (Abwehr-Abteilung) in the RWM (01 Apr 1927-30 Jun 1927)
Retired (30 Jun 1927)
Placed to Disposal (Army) (26 Aug 1939)
In OKW/Office for Foreign Defence (Auslands-Abwehr) (26 Aug 1939-31 May 1943)
Retired (31 May 1943)

10 hours ago, Glenn J said:

Feodor Grohe was born in Trier on 7 June 1872. He entered Infanterie-Regiment Nr. 113 from the cadet corps on 22 March 1893 as a Seconde-Lieutenant. He was employed as an instructor at the cadet institute at Plön from 27 January 1898 and transferred to the cadet institute at Oranienstein on 17 October 1899. He returned to his regiment on 27 January 1902 and was promoted to Oberleutnant on 22 April 1902. Promoted to Hauptmann and company commander on 17 September 1909 and received a patent as such on 27 January 1910. Promoted to Major on 18 April 1916. Retired as a charakter Oberstleutnant.

 

Shown below in the 1934 edition of the list of the officers' association of IR 113 as an Oberstleutnant a.D.

 

Regards

Glenn

 

 

33 minutes ago, BlackcowboyBS said:

Feodor Grohe reciever his 4th class of HdL on 12th of September 1909.

 

Gentlemen, that's very cool, thanks for taking the time to look up this information

12 hours ago, dedehansen said:

Major Karl Friedrich Theodor got his Ritterkreuz des Militär Karl Friedrich Verdienstordens

 

on November 13 1916 serving with IR 113.

 

Andreas, thanks for this new piece of information

Dear all,

 

Please see the attachments. These bars were sold first in a larger group and later auctioned separate over a period of time and I was able to reunite 2 of them. These are the ribbon bars to Feodor Bernd Grohe (1872-1948). I believe he was Oberstleutnant. These ribbon bars date to 1939 or after based on the West Wall medal on the last place.

 

He is listed on page 278 of the Prussian Rankliste of 1914 with the 5th Badisches Infanterie Regiment Nr. 113. His listed decorations are:

 

BZ3bmE - Baden Zahringer Lion 3rd class with oakleaves (mit Eichenlaub)
BrH4 - Brunswick Order of Henry the Lion 4th class
HSH3b - Saxe-Ernestine house order 3rd class

 

I can't find him back in the 1925 Reichsheer Rank list. Does anyone have more information on him?

 

Also a ribbon bar question: the Rank list shows him with the Zahringer lion with the oakleaves in 1914. Looking at the ribbon bars he appears to have received the Zahringer Lion twice, adding one with swords probably during the war. Should he not have had the oakleaves on the second Zahringer Lion ribbon? So the first ribbon with the swords and the second with the oakleaves?

 

Any information is much appreciated.

 

Best,

 

Peter

On 13/06/2021 at 14:27, Tony Farrell said:

It's a CSI and a CIE most likely, i.e. the lowest grades within the orders and the most numerous, though in the case of the former (Companion of the Most Exalted Order of the Star of India) 170 companions could hardly be described as numerous.

 

That's a very low number, thanks for the information Do you also have the numbers for the other classes? I reckon that unless some photographic or other evidence is going to surface we will never know who it belonged to....

I can help you with some words more or less, hopefully others can add and/or correct me:

 

[a firstname] Stier(?) Schütze seit dem 9/12/18. Dem
[..] Truppenteil und [..] [..] am
31/3/20 im [..] und dem Reichswehrdienst(?)
[..] [..] entlassen
[..] [..] Stockach im Baden-Württemberg

 

[a firstname] Stier(?) ist beschäftigt(?) beim Reichswehrabteilung(?)
[..] im [..] [..]
Dirigent(?) zeit [..] in der Reichswehrabteilung(?)
[..] unterstützt und für gesund(heit)(?) [..]
Mark 50 [..] und Mark 550 [..]
1 [..] mitgenommen(?)
Infolge Heeresverminderung entlassen.

 

Vereidigt 6/11/19

 

[..] [..] Frankfurt am Main
[..]

 

Müller
Hauptmann und Kompanie Führer

 

1 hour ago, lew said:

What a find! Congratulations! So the next would be the full medal bar ?

 

Thanks That full medal bar would be the icing on the cake ? I'm keeping my eyes peeled

Dear all, please see the attachments. I received this ribbon bar as part of a larger lot of ribbon bars and miniatures. I bought the lot because of a German bar, this British piece was for me a bonus of sorts.

 

Since British military is not my main area of interest I struggled at first to identify the first 2 ribbons, but I think I have found what these are. My hypothesis is that the first 2 ribbons represent the Order of the Star of India and the order of the Indian Empire. I cannot find any other British medals and/or orders with a similar ribbon to the Star of India. Can anyone confirm?

 

Also, if we are talking about the order of the Star of India, how many recipienst are we talking about? I cannot find much information on the numbers.

 

I'm also missing the victory medal so my best guess is this is the first row of at least 2 rows...

 

Best. Peter

1. Reihe von links nach rechts

Kriegsgerichts[...] [...] Brück, Hauptmann Berghofer, Professor Lambinon (?), Major Hörl

Frau Hardt zur Nieden, [...] Köberle, [...] Grams, Hauptmann Bergmann

 

2. Reihe

Leutnant Berger, ich, Renz, Oberleutnant [...], Hauptmann [...], Rittmeister Graf Seyssel,

Oberstabsarzt [...] Rundich (?), Leutnant Pabst, Leutnant [...], [...] [...] Zimmermann,

Rittmeister Röckl

 

Hopefully others can do some corrections and fill in the blanks and question marks.

Best. Peter

On 29/01/2016 at 15:54, lew said:

He probably have another full decoration bar with all his awards including EKII, and Turkish gold and silver merit medals. 

 

Dear all, I just found a bigger brother bar to the bar that has been originally posted in this thread, please see the photo's. I received the bar today. This bar took me more than 6 month's to acquire, a relieve it finally arrived. If it wasn't for this thread I would never have thought this was a viable and original combination so kudo's to the original poster  I've also dug up and added Veit's entry in the 1914 rank list. Amazingly he is already listed with having received 12 awards by 1914 ?

 

 

1 hour ago, Simius Rex said:

 

It's probably one of the people on the list below.  If you have a copy of Erhard Roth's book listing the recipients of the AOR2 with swords, you could see if one of the names below is mentioned.

 

Thanks for taking the time I'm short on the correct books, but I'm also keeping my eyes peeled for a copy of that book, I think the Roth's book should also be better available than the Ophaus one...

32 minutes ago, VtwinVince said:

I agree, the bar with the Prussian MVK looks pretty weird. Are there any markings on that cross? It does not look like an award piece at first glance. Here is my Godet bar (again) with multiple states, and a couple of others.

 

 

The cross is marked "W" and 835 on the lowest arm of the cross. Here's also an image of the back of the bar.

1 minute ago, Chris Boonzaier said:

Veeeerrry nice... does it have a name to it?

 

Hi Chris, no name unfortunately. I've been looking for a while for a copy of the 1936 book by Franz Josef Ophaus about the Prussian gold MMC to find out more but have so far not been able to find a copy.

12 hours ago, Chris Boonzaier said:

Does anyone have any bars with mixed states (Bavaria, Saxony etc) to other ranks or junior company grade officers to show?

 

Some really good ones are needed for a project

 

Thanks

Chris

 

Does this qualify? Only ww1 bar I have by the way and showing this for the first time.

Best. Peter

On 30/03/2021 at 00:27, Mark McM said:

Hi All,

I thought trying to translate cursive French was problematic... then I met cursive German.  Can anyone help translate the general details for this soldier?  Many thanks! 

 

 

My German is a bit rough and abbreviations are a pain but I'll give it a try.

 

First lines on page 8a:
Ist(?) uber erhaltung(?) van Waffen und Gerat am 2.11.44 belehrt worden
Leutnant und Kompanie Fuhrer

 

Translates to something like: has received instructions on how to use the weapon and equipment
after having been presented with the weapon and equipment

 

Lazarett page:
Reserve-Lazarett
Neuwied 23.Dez.1944
Res.Laz.Linz.a.Rh.
Teillaz. [...] a.Rh. 30.Dez.1944

 

3rd and 4th lines are:
Reserve Lazarett Linz am Rhein
Teillazarett [...] am Rhein 30 december 1944

 

Page 8b:
5 [...] 2 [...]
1F. [...] 1 Gasplane m. Tasche
[...]erhalten: Klappen m. [...], [...]
6.11.44

[...]probe: 22.9.44

 

Page 8b lists the equipment he got. The Gasplane mit Tasche is a gas cape and pouch. I'm not sure what "Klappen" are. Also, the rest of the writing eludes me. Mayby someone else can add to this.

My 2 cents; I personally use a blacklight that is actually intended for banknotes, so it's not a very big lamp (only a couple of inches long) nor is it very strong. Since ribbon bars is one of my main areas of interest, a blacklight is a must for me, and something I use on a regular basis.

 

I have learned that a smaller lamp is, for me, enough for the smaller objects like ribbon bars and insignia. What can help, from personal experience, is keeping something modern close by for reference. Even original ribbons can tend to light up when keeping the UV lamp too close, so having something modern close by for reference, like modern
bed sheets, can really make you see the difference between something modern and original. It also helps to practice

 

22 hours ago, fischer said:

I pretty much focused on one award for my collection....I guess I'm a hoarder with OCD. ?

 

Wow, thats very impressive, excellent collection

23 hours ago, Utku said:

Mr. Peter,

 

I thank a lot for your kind answer. 
 

If you don’t mind, I would like to ask you a question since you also collect medals.

 

I was wondering if you do or don’t focus on medal’s type. For example, let’s say “Order of Red Banner”. from the same manufacturer of that award, there are more then one types. Like type 1, type 2... 

 

While you or other medal collectors collect, do you focus on it? Don’t you try to creat a pattern? 
 

I did research for it actually, for a guide book which tells about all the details; but couldn’t exactly find what I was looking for. Maybe I just care to much about details?..

 

Dear Utku,

 

The medals I have are actually items I bought because I like them. There has not gone much strategy into buying them ? Also personally, I am not a completeist, meaning, I do not care or crave to find every possible variant there is out there. Besides this, for me a lot of the fun also comes from the chase, to look for the items, the hunt at the auction, the anticipation of the wait, and like Gordon the fun in the research. There are off course collectors out there who try to find every variant possible, and that's totally fine. My point is, you will have to discover for yourself what you do and do not like. We can show you the yellow brick road and help you walk the road, but you will have to do the walking yourself.

 

Best, Peter

On 28/03/2020 at 07:13, David Goody said:

I have received a response from the Bundesarchiv in Berlin who appear to have taken over the duties & records of the WASt. The covering letter mentions there is a message dated 24 May 1941 in the unit Horstcompanie Fliegerhorst-Kommandantur Konigsberg/Nm. erfasst (Bundesarchivsignatur: B 563/03945 Seite 053). The covering letter also states the next of kin is Rosl B. with the address Berlin-Lankwitz, Tautenburgstr. 24. Attached to the letter is an index card concerning Fritz Buschmann. I will place a copy here with my attempt at translation & would greatly appreciate any advice on its contents please, my reading is that he was assigned to the 9 Luftwaffe Field Division on 15/9/43 and was at Nikolskoye 60 km from Leningrad. There appears to be a date 23 May 1951 with reference to May 1944, which I assume relates to him being killed or missing. Many thanks. Front of card follows.

Reverse of card

 

last 4 lines on first page:

 

23.3.43 |II| 1.3.43 Luftwaffe Lazarett ("Lw. Laz.") Berlin - Reinickendorf [...] 2629
              |  | [...]
23.3.43 |II| 5.3.43 [...] Fahrkolonne ("Fahrkol.") III [...]
15.?.43  |II| 12.7.43 Kriegslazarett 928 ("Krgslaz. 928") Nikolskoye Russland ("Russl.")