Bob

Curious - the numbered awards, are they researchable? I.e. access to archives is available?

Just finished reading the diaries of this yappy little brownnoser (read the diary if you disagree) and couldn't help but post on this pic. The ability to lie to millions of people with a straight face and write the truth later in a book is something else...anyways, can you post a pic of the reverse as well Dan? It must be hard to authenticate a signature like this, as it is even hard to authenticate modern sports autographs. I guess you have to rely on the source and maybe an expert opinion or two. Any tips on authentic autographs and how to spot one are welcome as I'm sure it is not an easy thing to do, and thanks for posting Dan

Pat

I picked up a copy of Albert Speers memoires a while back... interesting read... gave me the same feeling of the movie Der Untergang... the empire just crumbling around them. The memoires was an autographed copy and was accompanied by some autographed letters (on Albert Speer personal letterhead) and photographs. One small letter is interesting... he's writing to a collector and giving him the address of Admiral Donitz so the person can also contact him.

How many of the different classes / types of this order were awarded? Were they numbered?

Be careful - substantial part of her "story" is apparently a scam (google it and you can read about it).

On a sidenote, I visited The Chernobyl area incl. the reactor (which isn't in Chernobyl actually) myself late last year... not via an expensive paid tour but smuggled in through the two exclusion zones by the local maffia lord who's responsible for dismantling old reactors (selling the metal in Donetsk), importing petrol into the exclusion zone and all transportation within the exclusion zone. Came up to 100 meters from THE reactor... scary!

Interesting: there's a nice bar in Chernobyl continously full of drunk people... nice Cognac they have there... and if you get really drunk there's even (not kidding!) an ATM!

Intending to visit Stalingrad early May next year and looking for a good guidebook (NOT lonely planet) which gives extensive details on museums, battlesites, etc.

Any tips?

Actually closer examination shows even more differences on the 2nd class one vs. rest:

- more pronounced "dimple" at the (crossed) end of the two wreaths

- thicker screw

- on the side it's a clean "cut" as opposed to 1st / 3rd class which have a side to the order which goes from front to side in 2 steps

Comparing my second class now with a pic on an auction site... mine is more "silvery" as opposed to "grey"... another identifyer?

Hi Bob:

That second class one may be a Soviet made one from the 1945 production. There's a GOZNAK invoice from July 1945 for the gold, silver, and non precious metals used while making Albanian decorations. I've seen a Soviet made gold one and yours seems to be consistent with that. Great find! I only have a (presumably) Pr?wema made 3rd class - I'd LOVE to get a hold of a Soviet made 2nd or 1st class...

Cheers,

Eric

Thanks Eric - how do you recognize that it's possibly Soviet... indeed the more "flat" (i.e. without the evenly spread "dimples" below the "glazing") enamel?

Forgot to post reverse

Great item Ed

Could you scan the reverse (hiding the (if any?) number if needed)?

Thanks,

Bob

I suspect that was the sole Mongolian "guest cosmonaut" and I doubt it is in anyone's possession (except his). Information, please, Bob??

Strangely, for such a good friend, Choibalasan never got a HSU. Maybe he just died too early? And, for all the doo-dads he made up to give Brezhnev, Tsedenbal never got one either. How's THAT for gratitude?!

http://www.soviet-awards.com/digest/umurdi..._returned_3.htm

Not as Mongolian as you'd like... but close.

Correct, restored in the corner. Presumably the ribbon got soiled, torn or something like that. Rather crudely done (can be seen on reverse).

Makes you wonder where all these awards have disappeared to...

I suspect this guy was important and enjoyed travelling

2 Orders of Sukhbaatar; 2 Orders of Lenin; Order of the Red Banner of

Labor Valor; Soviet Order of the Red Banner; 2 Orders of Combat Valor; 2

Orders of the Polar Star; 2 Medals of Combat; Order of the People's

Republic of Bulgaria; Czechoslovak Military Order for Liberty; 2 unknown decorations, probably GDR; Soviet OGPw 2nd Class; 100th Anniversary of Lenin's Birth Medal; Khalkin Gol Medal; We Won Medal; Medal for 25th Anniversary of the MPR; Medal for 40th Anniversary of the MPR; Medal for 50th Anniversary of Mongolian Revolution; Medal for 30th Anniversary of the Khalkin Gol Victory; Medal for 50th Anniversary of Mongolian Army; Medal for 50th Anniversary of Mongolian State Security; Medal for 50th Anniversary of Victory over Japan; Medal for 50th Anniversary of Mongolian Police; Soviet Medal for 30th Anniversary of Victory; Soviet Medal for Victory over Japan; and Soviet Medal for Victory over Germany.

Nice set of 3 - not so sure about the screw plate of the 3rd class one.

Note also slight difference in enamel between 2nd class and the other two (which have more of a relief to it).

I've also come back on this... the hype may be over, but so is the strong supply of quality pieces.

I think it's time to introduce the "Sukhbaatar" index... I predict that by end of this year you'll be looking at paying 3.000 USD if you want to purchase one from one of the western dealers.

Why? Because apparently currently dealers wishing to replenish their stock from Mongolian sources apparently need to pay around 1.800 USD for an SB.

A friend of mine recently returned from a trip through former Yugoslavia and brought back a nice metal plaque with the buste of Tito on a beatiful wood backing. I examined it and flipped it around to see the back... where it said IKOM to which I burst out with pleasure "ah, IKOM in Zagreb"

should have seen the look on his face when I explained where it came from... knowing this of course due to my interest in Albanian awards. This leads to the question: is the rest of the world crazy, or is it us phalerists which are crazy?

ATTENDED THE CONFERENCE OF ?HEROES OF LABOR?

2006.06.05

N.Enkhbayar, the President of Mongolia, addressed the National Conference of Mongolia?s ?Heroes of Labor? from animal husbandry and agriculture sector.

In total there have been 381 people, who received this State top award and 226 of them are herdsmen, agriculture workers which take almost 60 per cent of all receivers.

http://www.president.mn/show_module.php?in...p;dayinfoid=207

I am loving this website - too bad pictures are a bit small!

Note, this probably means some (like for instance one of the Hero of Labor stars I have) on the market are in fact unawarded ones.

Gotta download this pic and post here later - how cool!

http://www.president.mn/show_module.php?in...p;dayinfoid=103

100 years old General became a Labor Hero

2006.02.27

President of Mongolia N.Enkhbayar, released a decree, conferring lieutenant-general TSEDENISH Bazar with state?s top award, Title of Labor Hero, Sukhbaatar Order and Gold Medal, in recognition of his outstanding efforts in serving the country: a demarcation of national borders, signing international treaties, which ensured the security of those, studying the history of border troops, strengthening the security of the national borders and promoting external relations of Mongolia.

SHAGDARJAV Ochir, executive director of coal mining ?Shivee Ovoo? incorporated company, has been bestowed a Title of Honored Miner of Mongolia.

Appraising long-standing service in governmental and non-governmental organizations, commitment to the purpose of strengthening the telecommunication sector, training new specialists and bringing significant foreign aid and assistance, GOTOV Dakh, Chairman of the Mongolian Association for cooperation with pacific countries, has been awarded a Title of Honored Telecommunication Worker of Mongolia;

TOGTOKH Galsan, chief-doctor of Gobi-Altai province?s Tugrig som?s hospital, was awarded a Title of Honored Doctor of Mongolia;

TOGOO Shatar, head of the ?Santmandakh? cooperative society in Sant som of Uvurkhangai province- a Title of Honored Economist of Mongolia;

NAMSRAI Bud, lecturer of Management Academy- a Title of Honored Teacher of Mongolia;

TSANJID Ayurzana, Member of Parliament- a Title of Honored Teacher of Mongolia;

NARANBAATAR Bayaraa, bronze medallist of the year 2005 Free-style Wrestling World Championship, received a Title of Honored Athlete of Mongolia.

Following people were bestowed with the Order of Red Flag for Labor Merits:

N.Altanhuyag, ex-finance Minister; Members of the Parliament N.Batbayar, T.Gandi, D.Idevkhten;

An Order of Polar Star was conferred to D.Narandelger, lecturer of Management Academy, S.Purevsuren, head of the senior citizen?s union at Tuv province, D.Amar, senior officer to the Ministry of Health, N.Bayar, principal of the secondary school ?Mechta?, Ts.Ganhuyag, vice-chair of Civil Will party, B.Binie department chief at the Ministry of food and agriculture, B.Indra, chief editor of ?Mongol Messenger? newspaper, Ch.Saikhanbileg, chief of Information, telecommunication and technology agency.

An Order of Military Merits received M.Tumurbaatar, chief of Investigation Department, Bayangol district?s Police office.

ATTENDED THE CONFERENCE OF ?HEROES OF LABOR?

2006.06.05

N.Enkhbayar, the President of Mongolia, addressed the National Conference of Mongolia?s ?Heroes of Labor? from animal husbandry and agriculture sector.

In total there have been 381 people, who received this State top award and 226 of them are herdsmen, agriculture workers which take almost 60 per cent of all receivers.

http://www.president.mn/show_module.php?in...p;dayinfoid=207

I am loving this website - too bad pictures are a bit small!

By the decree of the President of Mongolia, N.Baasanjav, councilor doctor at the 3rd Central clinic hospital, Sh.Bira, prominent scientist, Sh.Dashtseren, director of the bus company were bestowed a title of Hero of Labor of Mongolia and golden medal.

And these are also still being awarded:)

http://www.president.mn/show_module.php?in...p;dayinfoid=257

President of Mongolia N.Enkhbayar issued a decree bestowing state award laureate SHARAV Byambasuren with top state award, an Order of Chinggis Khan.

He was awarded for long-standing commitment to the promotion of classical music, creation of many splendid themes, ballades and operas, including ?Chinggis Khan? opera and promotion of Mongolia?s culture internationally.

http://www.president.mn/show_module.php?in...p;dayinfoid=256

So finally one got awarded!

N.Enkhbayar, The President of Mongolia and Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the Armed forces of Mongolia, participated in the ceremony of conferring awards to military servicemen, who had been deployed in peace-keeping mission in Sierra Leone under a mandate of the UN. ...

http://www.president.mn/show_module.php?in...p;dayinfoid=297

President of Mongolia signed a decree, awarding some foreign diplomats, scholars, international organization staff members, who made a contribution to the democratic development of Mongolia, with an honorary medal of ?The 800th anniversary of the Great Mongolian Empire?. ...

http://www.president.mn/show_module.php?in...p;dayinfoid=291

In recognition of a long-standing commitment in telecommunication and public sectors BATTUR Galindev, an advisor of the Minister of Infrastructure and Tourism was bestowed a title of Honored Telecommunication Worker of Mongolia. ...

http://www.president.mn/show_module.php?in...p;dayinfoid=292

President of Mongolia, N.Enkhbayar signed a decree, awarding R.F.Genatulin, a Governor of Russia?s Chita province and B.B.Jamsuev, chief of administration of Agi province of Buryat Republic with Order of Polar Star, in recognition of their contribution made for the development of bilateral ties between ...

http://www.president.mn/show_module.php?in...p;dayinfoid=293

The President of Mongolia issued a decree conferring a prominent sumo wrestler TSEVEGNYAM Nyamjav with a title of Honored Athlete of Mongolia.

On occasion of the 85th anniversary of the establishment of Information and Telecommunication sector in Mongolia, President conferred State titles and ...

etc

etc

etc

List goes on and on - cool:)

http://www.president.mn/show_module.php?in...p;dayinfoid=306

President of Mongolia issued a decree, conferring Shri Shri Ravi Shankar, a prominent mediator, plenipotentiary counselor of the United Nations on education and social welfare, with ?Friendship? medal, in recognition of his long standing commitment to meditation teachings and contribution to intellectual ...

Hopefully more and more information will come from following site:

http://www.president.mn/show_modules.php?index=award_home#

Link 2/3 work for now!