Bob

60th anniversary of the KGB D09

Anybody have a clue what the 597 on the inside of the doc is for on the left hand side of the page?

again, just BASIC descriptions without the "hard" information we despersately seek as collectors--

nothing about numbers awarded, makers, and so on-- just text descriptions of what each type of badge looks like--

which we already know from looking at them!

Damn - not a lot of progress the last 16 years since this booklet came out then

Anything interesting?

We didn't have this one covered yet.

One version in enamel, one painted.

Both numbered

Enameled: I have 31 with range known between 31 - 2,084

Painted: range known 2,214 - 3,869

Had a chance to look at it a bit more. Posted some of the pages of more interesting medals under the specific threads.

Also managed to look at the tables in the book more. It's clear that they give

- details (size, weight, metal) on each of the medal / orders

- and also seperate table providing exact color scheme / size details of all ribbons, old and new

Great book.

More background - all from the Voronov book

2 more

Again here, some translation requests.

SUKHBAATAR ORDER

T1: Screwback

T2: Pinback

I propose we try to channel our efforts, and post new questions and new info in the appropriated thread, instead of mixing them all up.

Will post pix later

Any Russian reading person willing to translate?

Back to the original topic: check out the new SB on russianglory - inflation at work:)

Sorry, can't read tiny blurry sideways scans!

When was this actually printed? I may be (and hopefully am!) mistaken, but I had heard that Professor Victorov-Orlov had died recently. He and I used to correspond (he lived in Chelyabinsk) back in the "Evil Empire" days (which must have gotten the mail for both of us opened by both sides! ) when I was in college in the 1970s and we were both OMSA members. I used to work with a nice Pakistani lady who translated all his ahem ahem ahem recently returned "advisor" medals for him

(so I was kind of a proto-pre-Ed Haynes without any actual such language skills of my own, in those dark Brezhnevian days ).

But to UNdigress, I can read Russian--

if only it is large and focussed enough!

(Try for ONE PAGE the size to be completely visible on a monitor screen.)

Message board doesn't allow for large files unfortunately

PM me your email address and I'll send you some larger scans. Perhaps we can make it a rolling project to do 1 scan a week translation and post it here?

The book should provide quite some details as there's a LOT more text in it than the Bat book.

Will look at the printing date later today when I'm home again.

here we go

Received my copy today.

It is indeed a paperback and black and white. Size is half A4. 51 pages of which the last 15 or so drawings of the various awards (nothing special here - Bat's book has it all in color photographs so much better).

The book is in Russian. This is annoying because the other 36 pages give a tremendous amount of written detail about the various awards. Perhaps the most I've seen documented - but again, in Russian

Also contains some charts which appear to give an indication of metal content per award or perhaps size. Odd strings of numbers which I can't interpret with my limited (da / njet) Russian.

I will post some scans later.

All in all, if you can read Russian, a great book probably because of the many details documented in it per award. Otherwise... well... for the completists:)

Hi Bob, can we get a link please? Photo of the cover at least?

Thanks!!!!!!

Will post scans once I receive my copy. In the meantime: Item number: 8388566492

Had the name of the author wrong from memory:)

The Voronov book mentioned in back of Herfurth catalogue is up for auction on eBay.

I got a copy (anxiously waiting for it to arrive) a few weeks ago. Dealer has second one on eBay right now.

But I think out small circle, plus the (apparent) willingness of some to pay some serious money for rare pieces is shaking some nice pieces out of Central Asia. Will the bubble burst or will archive availability fuel the craze?

Your guess (and your money) is as good as mine.

Well, nobody can control what demand does, but I do know that supply on some items is controlled... forever.

If only 400 items of a certain award exist... low or high demand will not change that. Might have some effect on price, but it'll always be difficult to get.

Better get it now is my thinking then

Item number: 8384074119

Hahaha - talk about excessive inflation!

At the same time, more and more interesting items popping up recently. Been offered order of precious rod, one of the early 20's orders, etc.

I wonder how the ratio supply/demand currently REALLY is. Mongolian items are a small collectors circle... not too many people willing to pay many thousands of USD for an award.

1,100.00? is a good price these days, even for a pinback type!!!

Dolf

If you can even find them. Right now I only know of one publicaly available for sale SB.

Happy to give name of website to anyone - PM me. Equally happy to hear where else on dealers sites others may be available.

As far as I know, there are no other docs with this design, so it is most likely KhG, though I cannot be sure.

Dr B confirmed it to me - that should give reasonable assurance:)

What's more interesting: such an abundance of KG awards for sale... yet so few booklets. Perhaps they were only given until after the KG award became a medal vs. a badge?

As far as the name of the order is concerned, looks like "Algan gadas odon" = Order of the Polar Star to me (as I squint it out and compare it to my cheat-sheet). Can others who can actually read this confirm??

Now I gotta learn Mongoloan (too)!

Thanks - I now double checked with other award booklets I had (was being lazy before ) and you are correct.

What the internet needs is a place to link up award booklets with awards!

FYI - pics of booklet

and last scan... what would be helpful: link to a website containing all award names in russian / mongolian script?

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