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Rereading the roles some of these SB recipients had: "
"Leader of the hay preparation brigade of “Salhyt” fodder preparation station of Sukhbaatar aimag"
Hay preparation bridage - that's just brilliant
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From the first video link with the documentary and some online sources I got the impression that he was affiliated with various foreign military units in a training/support role but was never formally a member. E.g. various photographs shown in the documentary do give the impression he was in Korea, Vietnam, etc. And that he is just a bit liberal (but probably without ill intent) in wearing various unit badges etc.
The guys story is pretty amazing (again, even if some of it is over the top)
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If it looks too good to be true, it probably isn't true.
I'm not going to rush to judgement on this. The story is an interesting one, he was born in mongolia (supposedly) and his parents were killed by the chines, he fled (helped by a monk) to indonesia as a young boy and when the japanese arrived there he fled again eventually winding up in the netherlands.
The documentary shows him being received by the mongolian president (!) a few years ago... and there's quite some martial arts footage in the documentary as well. Whatever the truth, it sounds like an interesting story.
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around 42 minutes he's at a dutch korea veterans meeting... one of them says they were in korea together, he says that the other vet was awarded a bronze star
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http://fr.truveo.com/het-bloed-van-genghis-khan-21102007/id/3598738166
A dutch language documentary... which certainly appears to indicate his story may be legit
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http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=4230&st=360&gopid=424933&
Yes, it is (on a very limited and "fragile" basis) possible to do research... BUT, it appears that we may have all underestimated the importance of award documents vs. the actual awards due to serial numbers not easily being available in the places where research is found.
Treading gently in this area - i don't want anything to backfire... LOT's more to come (slowly but surely)
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Forgot the scan...
And, here's something interesting that found its way to me... and which may also help others (assuming SB's were awarded in same order as names below).
"The Decree of the Presidium of the People’s Great Khural
of the Mongolian People’s Republic
11 November 1989 Number 180 Ulaanbaatar
On awarding some people with the orders and medals
The Presidium of the People’s Great Khural of the Mongolian People’s Republic decrees:
To award the following individuals with the orders and medals of the Mongolian People’s Republic for long, fruitful and active labor in the agricultural sector of the country.
The Order of Sukhbaatar:
1. Balbaryn Gomboragchaa Head of the “New Life” collective farm of Chuluut soum of Arhangai province
2. Sanatbain Hadan Herder of the Bayannuur farm in Bayan-Ulgii province
3. Baasandambyn Samdandorj Driver of the Harvesting machine of “Sansar” fodder preparation station in Bulgan province
4. Dendeviin Ulziihutag Herder of the “Tuya” collective farm in Dalanjargalan soum of Dornogobi province
5. Maamanhugiin Baldorj Herder of the “Jargalant” collective farm in Tsogt-Ovoo soum of Umnugobi aimag
6. Gendengiin Monhooroi General accountant of the “Sukhbaatar’s path” collective farm in Uulbayan soum of Sukhbaatar aimag
7. Samdangiin Bud Leader of the hay preparation brigade of “Salhyt” fodder preparation station of Sukhbaatar aimag
8. Gandangiin Namjildorj Director of the plant under the collective farms in Tuv aimag
9. Godnomdarjaagiin Damdinsuren Director of the “Bayantsogt” farm in Tuv aimag
10. Peljidiin Boloosh Mechanic of the “Jargalant” farm in Tuv
aimag
11. Ochiryn Dashdendev Director of the “Youth” farm in Tuv aimag
12. Khorloogiin Tsendbayar Head of Crop section of the fodder prepration station in Erdenesant soum of Tuv aimag
13. Rentsengiin Uhnaa Herder of the “Davshilt” collectiver farm in Zuunhangai soum of Uvs aimag
14. Tangadyn Dalantai Herder of the “Tsog” collective farm in Umnugobi soum of Uvs aimag
15. Luvsannyamyn Byambadorj Herder of the “Soyol” collective farm in Buyant soum of Khovd aimag
Chairman of the Presidium of People’s Great Khural (signed) J. Batmumkh
Secretary of the Presidium of People’s Great Khural (signed) Ts. Gotov"
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Only have the document to SB 1770 awarded to S. Damdinsuren
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http://english.pravda.ru/news/science/08-05-2003/49337-0/
News » Science
Mongolia Honours Soviet Soldiers
08.05.2003 | Source: Pravda.Ru
Ahead of the Victory Day celebrations the authorities of Ulan Bator in Mongolia, that was member of the anti-Hitler coalition, moved the monument to the Soviet tank brigade Revolutionary Mongolia, a T-34 tank, to the foot of the Zaisan mountain, on the southern outskirts of the capital.
Thus, the memorial devoted to Soviet soldiers who fought in World War II "acquired a new, more accomplished look," the municipal authorities believe.
The decision to move the monument, installed in 1970 on the occasion of the Victory's 25th anniversary, in one of the city's central highways, the Genghis Khan avenue, was taken by the Mongolian government in April.
The works to move the tank, that had reached Berlin as part of the Revolutionary Mongolia brigade and then under its own power got to Ulan Bator, were conducted efficiently. The 33-ton vehicle was brought down from the cement pedestal and then taken in a special truck to the mountain, where it was set in its honorary place.
The Revolutionary Mongolia tank brigade was set up in 1942 for the money raised by Mongolian people. Later it was turned into the tank regiment, which is still stationed near Moscow. In October 1964 the regiment was given Mongolia's highest award, the order of Sukhe Bator, the leader of the Mongolian revolution.
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Marshal Ivan Konev and Chairman of the Council of Ministers of Mongolia Yumjaagiin Tsedenbal
Categories:
Politics
Description:
Chairman of the Council of Ministers of Mongolia Yumjaagiin Tsedenbal congratulating Twice Hero of the Soviet Union Marshal Ivan Konev on the title of the Hero of the Mongolian People's Republic.
Location:
Russia, Moscow
Date of event:
01.12.1972
http://visualrian.com/images/item/676238
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Photo #430048
H.Gombosuren is camel breeder and Hero of Labor
Categories:
Economy, Business & Finance, Labour
Description:
H.Gombosuren, a camel breeder and Hero of Labor from the Southern Gobi district.
Location:
Mongolia
Date of event:
01.06.1981
http://visualrian.com/images/item/430048
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http://visualrian.com/images/item/53753
Leonid Brezhnev receives Order of Sukhe-Bator
Categories:
Politics
Description:
Yumzhagiin Tsedenbal, First Secretary of the Central Committee of the Mongolian People's Revolutionary Party and Chairman of the Council of Ministers (Government) of the Mongolian People's Republic (left), reads out decree of the Great People's Khural (Parliament) on awarding Leonid Brezhnev (right) the Order of Sukhe-Bator.
Location:
Russia, Moscow
Date of event:
15.09.1971
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Unrelated to previous couple of posts but interesting:
http://visualrian.com/images/item/731864
Sonomyn Luvsan fastening the Order of Sukhe-Bator on the banner of Kyakhta (Buryatia)
Categories:
Arts, Culture & Entertainment, Politics
Description:
A gala meeting of working people of Kyakhta devoted to the presentation of the Order of Sukhe-Bator to the city. Sonomyn Luvsan, Politburo member of the Central Committee of the Mongolian People's Revolutionary Party, First Deputy Chairman of the Presidium of the State Great Hural of Mongolia, fastens the Order of Sukhe-Bator on the banner of Kyakhta (Buryatia, 1974)
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Is this a real VC? The image sure looks good. What should a person look for in a original?
A GBP 200.000 price tag at auction? :speechless1:
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OK, what's up (or down?) with everybody?
We're entering a new era of Mongolia collecting!
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Just in: initial (more to come I hope!) research on the recipient of the documented screwback SB number 747 in my possession. History coming to life!
"Sharavjamts Shadavtsoodol was born in Tugrug village of Uvurkhangai province in 1921. He was drafted to the Mongolian People’s Revolutionary Army in 1939. Shadavtsoodol graduated from the Artillery intermediate school in Tambov town, the Soviet Union in 1945.
In 1958, the shooting sports club was set up under the Voluntary Society to assist the People’s Army (Mongolian DOSAAF). Major Shadavtsoodol was commissioned to the club where he served as a trainer in shooting from 1958-1964. From 1964-1973, Lieutenant Colonel Shadavtsoodol served as the trainer in shooting at the General Military School. He was discharged from the active military service in 1973.
Shadavtsoodol is considered as one of the founders of the Mongolian Shooting sports. He started to practice the shooting sports in 1955. In 1959, he scored 509 in AB-5 exercise and thereby winning the title of the Sport’s Master. He set the record of the shooting of the Mongolian People’s Republic three times. Shadavtsoodol also holds the title of the “Best Hunter of the MPR”.
Most of all, Shadavtsoodol contributed enormously to strengthening Mongolian shooting sports and its personnel."
He received his SB in 1971: 50th birthday SB? Maybe more on that later... :cheers:
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Some interesting scans of Lhagvasuren's memoirs
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Impressive, how did a Major General manage to NOT have an ORCB or SB?
Thanks for the picture
Jan
Good question. He was discharged from active military service in 1956 so a possible explanation could be that he left before the awarding of SB's became more liberal in terms of volume. Perhaps before that time, there were more strict criteria and he just didn't meet them (he was more a "non combat" than a "combat" guy it would appear). He was awarded a Red Banner of Labor (low number, <200) as can be seen in his award booklet and I hope to be getting details on this in the near future.
I expect to also be getting some interesting information on the two (very low numbered) SB's awarded to Sodnomdarjaa (i.e. the Russian Red Banner shown elsewhere on GMIC) which will maybe start to shed a light on what early SB's were awarded for. Will give a more complete picture of Sodnomdarjaa, although I don't have his actual SB's unfortunately. I do have a documented SB with nr 747 for which I'm also hoping to get more info soon so maybe that'll highlight a more "long service" kind of awarding?
Will have to wait and see (and keep fingers crossed!) - exciting times ahead for Mongolia enthousiasts, that's for sure! Could be that we're entering a new phase of expanding knowledge in this area which will really have a big impact!
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Here he is...
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Major General Suuriin Baldan... later in his fateful life and clearly wearing his Soviet Red Star :cheers:
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Let's start with quoting the collectrussia description on the new book:
"For those of you familiar with the superb books on Soviet and North Korean awards co-authored by Paul McDaniel, you will perhaps understand how impressive we find Urnukh's work when we say that this seems like a book that McDaniel could have produced. We feel safe in predicting that collectors of Mongolian orders and medals will soon come to view this book as their Bible.
The clarity of both the photographs and the text will introduce a whole new generation of collectors to the challenges and satisfactions of collecting Mongolian orders and medals!"
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Time to breath some fresh air into this forum
Sure, there's a recession (or should I use past tense?), and there's no longer the tidal wave of good stuff coming out of Mongolia on a daily basis (remember the "good old" days of eBay?)... BUT...
* we already reached an immmense level of refinement of knowledge on mongolian orders/medals right here on GMIC
* from what I can see on collectrussia pics, a GREAT new book is out
* the first SMALL steps are SLOWLY becoming reality with regards to research (more on that later)
....Soooo, who dares to make a prediction on the future of Mongolian orders/medals collecting?
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The book is available on collectrussia
I'm waiting for mine (impatient of course
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Sukhbaatar Order
in People's Republic Mongolia
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More on Lt. Colonel Sharavjamts Shadavtsoodol:
Sharavjamts Shadavtsoodol was born in Tugrug village of Uvurkhangai province on March 1, 1921.
In 1939: Private of Mongolian People’s Revolutionary Army.
1939-1940: Weapons maintenance course at the Artillery intermediate school in Tambov town, the Soviet Union.
1940-1943: Weapons repair officer at the Motorized brigade of the Mongolian People’s Revolutionary Army.
1943-1945: Studied at Artillery intermediate school in Tambov town, the Soviet Union.
1945-1948: Commander of the Artillery repair workshop at the Motorized brigade of the Mongolian People’s Revolutionary Army.
1948-1956: Commander of the Artillery repair workshop at the Tank regiment of the Mongolian People’s Revolutionary Army.
1956-1957: Commander of Artillery repair workshop of the Mongolian People’s Revolutionary Army.
1957-1958: Commander of the platoon of the motorized rifle battalion #1 (In 1957, the Army was reformed and thousands of the officers were transferred to civil organizations)
1958-1961: Shooting trainer at Voluntary Society to assist the People’s Army (Mongolian DOSAAF).
1961-1964: Senior shooting trainer at Voluntary Society to assist the People’s Army (Mongolian DOSAAF).
1964-1973: Trainer in shooting at the General Military School.
1973: Discharged from the active military service.