Bob

http://www.telegraaf.nl/buitenland/3986975...m__.html?p=11,1

article's in dutch, sorry

And his second booklet

The red banner has arrived safely in Belgium and will post scans of it + document later today.

Can already post some other things though as well.

Here's his first mongolian orders booklet

Maybe it's just me, but can these pics please be posted in the thread dedicated to this award. If each time somebody buys a new medal a new thread is started (look at what I got, and then the thread typically dies) things will become chaos and it prevents from developing a good body of knowledge on all the intricacies of a specific medal. :rolleyes:

A 32.1 Order of the Polar Star, Silver

UIGUR SCRIPT

Doc

Nice

Always like these polar stars, and this one is clearly worn and used, just like they are supposed to be :cheers:

What are the serial numbers and, again, for the interest of this forum: please share the available documentation which supports your assertion that they were all awarded to a general. If not, well, why even post on this forum because this is precisely a place where people may help you to decypher the doc's.

Not sure I understand your response chinamedals. You might want to have a look at http://www.collectrussia.com/showcat.htm?cat=Mongol%20Medals

As you can see, this reputable dealer has some for sale just like you do. As you can see as well, they are described as "near mint condition". Which, to any reasonable Mongolia collector, is a strong indication that they are probably bank escapees. Doesn't mean they are not beautiful / valuable, but nonetheless it's important.

By the way, you'll see that the dealer is selling this at a considerably lower price than you are (despite his prices usually being quite high). Any potential buyer would be interested to know the justification for your considerably higher price... and if it is ownership by a general, well, then any potential buyer would want to get something more than "just trust me" to be assured of that.

Right... I'll end it here. I'm sure you'll be able to sell your 'group' a lot sooner if you 'market' it better though :rolleyes:

Wonderful - I'm sure the forum would love to see scans

Right...

And would you be so kind as to teach us all a lesson here on that General which supposedly was awarded this set of 4 red banners? :banger:

OK, i'll up my bid to 150 :cheers:

Just received confirmation that Sodnomdarjaa was indeed in the party of six who assassinated Dambijantsan in 1922. Sodnomdarjaa mentions this in a book he wrote entitled "Partisans". That book is in Mongolian (of course) but I'll try to find it anyway (who knows, may contain pictures...).

A detailed account of the assassination is given in the Diluv Khutagt?s Book, Chapter 4. I'm in contact with a US based historian who's in Mongolia right now doing research specifically on Dambijantsan's assassination (what a coincidence!).

Sad day

Thanks Ed for your many contributions :cheers:

I had a look through some of my docs and these are what I came up with.

These are just the ones that I think aren't on the list already...

Hope these help

JC

"We Won"

00975 6-7-1946

09454 9-7-1946

36045 1-11-1946

25th anni.

13460 17-8-1946

273 1950 (all it says but seemingly legit group, not the paper doc but written in one of the little red booklets) may want to leave out.

16084 7-8-1946

Labour Medal

1253 3-11-1945

3097 8-7-1947

3755 15-7-1952

4769 29-12-1946

6142 5-7-1956

Labour Order

1215 21-12-1958

5035 9-7-1981

Polar Star

838 4-12-1941

1003 11-9-1946

1432 6-2-1944

2937 8-7-1950

3524 26-11-1954

9436 11-10-1957

12056 7-7-1966

21968 26-11-1981

I have a bunch of udarnik, a partizan and a herder docs....should we do those too??

Cheers

JC

Thanks - I'll be doing a big update coming weekend. Anything you throw at me, I'll put in.

It's very interesting to see patterns in awarding sometimes. Although, to be honest, it raises more questions than it answers. Makes you wish you could read old newspapers to figure out the significance of certain dates.

Combat Red Banner - forgot to write down the number and the auction's ended

No problem, these are public domain numbers as far as I am concerned. Maybe good to refer to GMIC though (whatever gets more Mongolia enthusiasts over here). Here's my up to date list for SB (with some additions on the low end related to a special Partisan):

Order of Suche Baatar 1 1941

Order of Suche Baatar 24 1946

Order of Suche Baatar 31 1949

Order of Suche Baatar 48 17/10/1951

Order of Suche Baatar 86 26/05/1955

Order of Suche Baatar 114 29/12/1955

Order of Suche Baatar 158 24/10/1957

Order of Suche Baatar 166 29/05/1957

Order of Suche Baatar 186 6/07/1960

Order of Suche Baatar 242 24/12/1959

Order of Suche Baatar 340 1961

Order of Suche Baatar 341 1961

Order of Suche Baatar 342 1961

Order of Suche Baatar 343 1961

Order of Suche Baatar 344 1961

Order of Suche Baatar 383 27/10/1961

Order of Suche Baatar 423 28/11/1962

Order of Suche Baatar 470 13/12/1963

Order of Suche Baatar 500 18/05/1965

Order of Suche Baatar 541 1966

Order of Suche Baatar 542 1966

Order of Suche Baatar 558 1966

Order of Suche Baatar 586 1968

Order of Suche Baatar 588 1968

Order of Suche Baatar 589 1968

Order of Suche Baatar 591 1968

Order of Suche Baatar 605 13/06/1968

Order of Suche Baatar 612 10/11/1968

Order of Suche Baatar 642 12/08/1969

Order of Suche Baatar 684 15/10/1969

Order of Suche Baatar 692 1969

Order of Suche Baatar 695 18/12/1969

Order of Suche Baatar 747 12/03/1971

Order of Suche Baatar 803 5/07/1971

Order of Suche Baatar 885 2/07/1971

Order of Suche Baatar 919 1971

Order of Suche Baatar 922 1971

Order of Suche Baatar 923 1971

Order of Suche Baatar 924 1971

Order of Suche Baatar 925 1971

Order of Suche Baatar 927 1971

Order of Suche Baatar 928 1971

Order of Suche Baatar 931 1971

Order of Suche Baatar 932 1971

Order of Suche Baatar 933 1971

Order of Suche Baatar 937 1971

Order of Suche Baatar 989 1973

Order of Suche Baatar 1.123 1975

Order of Suche Baatar 1.255 14/12/1975

Order of Suche Baatar 1.335 1978

Order of Suche Baatar 1.404 22/10/1980

Order of Suche Baatar 1.412 2/12/1980

Order of Suche Baatar 1.462 8/06/1981

Order of Suche Baatar 1.463 1981

Order of Suche Baatar 1.465 1981

Order of Suche Baatar 1.491 9/07/1981

Order of Suche Baatar 1.530 1981

Order of Suche Baatar 1.532 1981

Order of Suche Baatar 1.548 1981

Order of Suche Baatar 1.562 1981

Order of Suche Baatar 1.715 1986

Order of Suche Baatar 1.770 11/11/1989

Order of Suche Baatar 1.934 23/10/1996

Updated my serials numbers spreadsheet and it's amazing how the awarding of the SB's progressed:

- first 100: took almost 15 years

- next 100: took roughly 5 years

- next 100: took around 1 year!

Collectrussia has one for sale for a hefty 3.800, and provides a very good description which I think would also be relevant for this thread:

"Hero of Labor of Romanian Socialist Republic, 1970s - mid 1980s.

The star is in 14 K gold; suspension device in silver gilt. The star medallion measures 27.4 mm in width, 29.9 mm in height including the eyelet; 13.2 g total weight with suspension. The suspension shows hallmarks of Romanian State Mint and stamped serial number "206"; the pin of the suspension is also hallmarked and maker marked. In excellent condition. Shows no wear or scratches to the gold, the details are beautifully crisp. The suspension shows attractive patina to silver.

The title of Hero of Labor was established in 1965. Only 298 Type 1 medals in gold have been issued prior to mid 1980s, when this version was replaced by a gold medal without serial number and with three stripes on the suspension ribbon. The Type 1 gold medals were reportedly awarded exclusively to VIPs whereas the rank and file party members were given the gilded brass version (approximately 600 of the latter have been issued during the same period). "

Nr 164 (researchable? ) with an ingenious connector on the reverse of the suspension

I don't collect Romanian awards but have a hard time resisting cased, numbered, hero awards

Yummy