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Good question, impossible to answer unfortunately. I could just speculate.
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When the forum 'upgrade' happened a lot of pics were lost unfortunately :(
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Latest edition of JOMSA with a BEAUTIFUL Hero Star on the cover. Looking forward to read the article!
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Yeah, but every posting costs money (or not if you pull the posting before it ends?)
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Yes, yet I was told this one was much more expensive (despite appearing / being smaller).
Perhaps it has to do with metal used more than the size.
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There is 'copy' - or rather, a first attempt at an Order of Victory. Apparently it was rejected because it was even more expensive than the ones posted above (the final design). I'll post a pic here in a few minutes:
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You're being sarcastic, right?
Wasn't it well over 20k USD?
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Thanks for flagging that auction. Not many Mongolian items but the prices were pretty good.
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at an insane price of almost 16k USD - ebay item: 202772118150
"Mongolia. Order of the Polar Star.№540
Sign of the CCT (Honorary State Security Officer), Mongolia (Mongolia), No. 20, silver, hot enamel, production of the USSR mint, excellent condition. The marks on the back of the mark are rectangular MTX, oval with a breakdown of 916 and a head, round with a head. Dimensions 44 x 26 mm. The circulation is about 1000 copies."0 -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TKgvirmnjM
And a youtube video with some references to him riding on a horse with his sword attacking the enemy as well as a few pics showing him with all his awards.
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And right here on gmic a pic of Dandar wearing his hero star:
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I hope to source more materials / information on Dandar. He was quite the 'personality' apparently.
As per Urnukh's book, Dandar
- was awarded the Hero title on 7.9.39 (only the 5th person to be awarded the title and only the 2nd person to actually get a gold star issued)
- then it was revoked on 18.1.46
- and he was reinstated on 29.9.64
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And here a statue of Dandar with him on his famous horse
https://mongolia-guide.com/place/lodongiin-dandar-equestrian-statue
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LODONGIIN DANDAR EQUESTRIAN STATUE
119ShareThe statue of Mongolia's most famous war hero, Lodongiin Dandar (1914-1986), commonly known as "the Hero on a Pinto Horse," was unveiled in 1999 by the design of Ts.Tsegmid. L.Dandar successfully commanded cavalry regiments in both 1939 Battle of Khalkhyn Gol and 1945 World War II in Asia and is decorated with highest valor distinctions of the nation for bravery in combat.
Location: 22nd khoroo, Bayanzurkh District
Custody: Protection by Bayanzurkh District, per Decree No. 357 of the Governor of Capital Municipality (2008)Source By: Mayor’s office of Ulaanbaatar city, Ulaanbaatar city Tourism department"
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More to come later, but first...
http://mongoliafaq.com/?p=2605
"Who is Mongolia’s most famous military commander?
Mongolia has its share of famous military commanders. Let me tell you about the one you probably never heard of. But he is famous in Mongolia. He was legendary for chopping heads while charging on a horse. His horse, a spotted stallion became his trademark.If you say a Hero on a spotted horse, Mongols would immediately recognize this person. Dandar baatar (Dandar the hero) was an ordinary man with extra-ordinary story. He was born in 1914 and conscripted into military service in 1935. He studied in a military school in Tambov, Russia and upon graduation was assigned to the 6th Cavalry division.
As a newly minted lieutenant, he participated in the first skirmishes with the Kwantung Japanese units. Starting from May of 1939 the skirmishes became invasion. Japanese units were able to surround the HQ of the 6th division and the head, Shariibuu was killed. Dandar a mere lieutenant was ordered to be in charge of the division. He was given the rank of a major. Probably, the fastest promotion in Mongolian military history.
Dandar baatar was a courageous man, he would lead his units by holding the machine gun in his hand and charging towards the enemy. One of his military officers chided him for doing that. As a head of a division he was not supposed to lead the attack.
His military exploits became stuff of legends. The frequently mentioned legend was his skill in using a sword to chop the heads of the Samurais while charging on the horse. Of course, the reality was a little bit different. In one of the interviews, when he was asked about the chopping part, he laughed and said that even though he used his sword on occasions, his main weapons were his revolver and a machine gun. He mentioned one time during the charge he used his sword to kill his enemy. But he was not able to remove the sword as it was stuck in the body. because of that he fell off the horse. One of his officers rushed in and helped him mount the horse again before being trampled by the advancing cavalry.
For his courage and bravery he was given many medals and commendations. His biggest commendation was when he was bestowed a title of an “Extraordinary Hero.” From then on he was called Dandar Baatar, Dandar the hero.
After the end of the Khalkhiin gol war, Dandar baaatar was sent to the Soviet Union for additional training. WW2 started and he was ordered back. With the start of the Manchuria Offensive in 1945, Dandar baatar has also participated in that war.While there, however, he was arrested for killing a Soviet soldier, over a disagreement.
In prison, he was harassed by the inmates. One of the “bosses ” ordered him to fire a stove. While firing the stove, he chose one of the long sticks and proceeded attacking 10 inmates in his cell. His skill in wielding the sword was handy. He shouted:“I am a military officer who killed enemies and shed blood, don’t you dare talk to me like that.” From then on nobody bothered him anymore. He was released after four years.
In 1964, he was exonerated and all his military titles and awards were restored. He continued his military service as an officer, and continued his studies in Soviet Union at the prestigious Frunze military Academy. He passed away in 1986."
Santa Clause had a late delivery for me and I was very excited by it!
Here the Hero of Mongolia gold star with serial nr 13 (confirmed to be awarded to Dandar as per Urnukh's book and validated by Dandar's family).
Don't know if the case is original or not. The connecting ring between the star and suspension was cut at some point.
A well worn example with an interesting life!
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Long time ago, but any chance on help with the name of the recipient?
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Try medalsmarket.com
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And a later version...
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Maybe worth trying one more time... ?
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Citation for the Order of the Red Star
Order of the Red Star [stamped]
Red Banner of Labor [stamped, crossed out]
OdVO [Odessa Military District]
Citation
1. Last Name, Name, Patronymic: SHEVTSOV Viktor Afanasevich
2. Rank: Major-General of Artillery since 1 November 1980
3. Position, Unit: Commander of Air Defense for the Odessa Military District, since May 1980
Recommended for: the Order of the Red Banner of Labor
4. Year of Brith: 1937
5. Nationality: Russian
6. Party Membership: Member of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union since 1961
7. Participation in Armed Conflicts in Defense of the USSR or in the Great Patriotic War:
has not participated
8. Wounds and concussions suffered during the Patriotic War: none
9. In the Armed Forces of the USSR since: since 1 October 1955
10. Conscripted by which District Military Commissariat: Stanichno-Lugansk District Military Commissariat, Lugansk Oblast
11. Previously awarded: the Order “For Service to the Homeland in the Armed Forces of the USSR” 3rd Class in 1975, and 7 anniversary and long-service medals
12. Home address of the prospective awardee: Odessa, Segedskaya ulitsa 1, apt. 93
Concise, concrete, description of feat of arms or merit
Major-General of Artillery Shevtsov V. A. has occupied his present position since May 1980. Before this, for the period of a year of a year, he was Chief of Air Defense Forces of the Ural Military District, where
the units and formations under his command scored well in military and political training.
During his period of service in the [Odessa] district, he has proven himself a knowledgable, industrious and efficient general. He is well-versed in the aerial assault methods of probable enemies and in the combat deployment of Air Defense Forces for various types of battles. In resolving practical tasks, he is principled, full of initiative, and indefatigable.
The condition of military and political training of the units and formations of the Air Defense Forces under his command are [sic] rated “good” for 1980-1981 instructional years. Four brigades carried out combat gunnery drills on the State testing range with excellent scores, and a fifth brigade with good scores.
The state of personnel discipline within the Air Defense Forces is adequate. Internal order is per regulations. Weapons and equipment are serviceable and ready for combat use. There have not been any breaches of operational readiness.
He is devoted to the CPSU and the Socialist Motherland.
CONCLUSION: For high marks in military and political training, he deserves to be awarded the Order of the Red Banner of Labor. Reviewed and approved at the Military Council of the District, 22 October 1981, protocol 15.
Commander of the Odessa Military District
Colonel-General I. Voloshin [signed & stamped]
22 October 1981
Conclusion of Superiors
He deserves to be awarded the Order of the Red Banner of Labor.
Supreme Commander of Air Defense Forces
Marshal of Aviation A. Koldunov [signed]
[stamped: Personnel Department of the Air Defense Forces]
4 November 1981
Awarding material reviewed at the meeting of the Military Council of National Air Defense Forces.
And for his Order of Service to the Motherland
Citation
1. Last Name, Name, Patronymic: SHEVTSOV Viktor Afanasevich
2. Rank: Lieutenant-Colonel
3. Position, Unit: Commander of the 140th Surface-Air Missile Brigade, Northern Group of Forces, since 11 October 1974
Recommended for: the Order “For Service to the Homeland in the Armed Forces of the USSR” 3rd Class
4. Year of Brith: 1937
5. Nationality: Russian
6. Party Membership: Member of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union
7. Participation in Armed Conflicts in Defense of the USSR or in the Great Patriotic War:
has not participated
8. Wounds and concussions suffered during the Patriotic War: none
9. In the Armed Forces of the USSR since: since 1 October 1955
10. Conscripted by which District Military Commissariat: Stanichno-Lugansk District Military Commissariat, Lugansk Oblast
11. Previously awarded: not awarded
12. Home address of the prospective awardee: military unit field-post 93293
Concise, concrete, description of feat of arms or merit
He is a knowledgable, disciplined, demanding officer.
He is scrupulous in the performance of his official duties.
He is well-versed in the brigade’s equipment and weaponry and their combat use. During tactical exercises with the brigade, he proved himself a seasoned commander.
He leads the brigade’s staff with skill and expertise. He devotes great attention to matters of combat readiness, daily personnel training, and the strengthening of military discipline.
Per the results of military and political training for the 1974 instructional year, the brigade received a good evaluation.
He is responsive and attentive to request and needs of subordinates. He enjoys their professional confidence.
He is ideologically firm. In everyday life, he is modest.
CONCLUSION: For scrupulous performance of his official duties, he deserves to be awarded the Order “For Service to the Homeland in the Armed Forces of the USSR” 3rd Class.
Commander of the Air Defense for the Northern Group of Forces
Major-General Rodsky [signed]
[stamped: Personnel Department of the Northern Group of Forces]
29 March 1975
[page 2]
Conclusion of Superiors
For scrupulous performance of his official duties, he deserves to be awarded the Order “For Service to the Homeland in the Armed Forces of the USSR” 3rd Class.
Reviewed and approved by the Military Council of the Northern Group of Forces, protocol №[illegible] of 30 March 1975.
Commander of the Northern Group of Forces
Colonel-General I. Gerasimov [signed & stamped]
30 March 1975
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Sharing some info that an enthusiastic reader of the board (with Russian language skills!) shared with me:
The stamp on the anniversary medal doc is from military unit 68202, which appears to be some portion of the Soviet garrison in Ulaanbaatar. There are two hits for it on google.
One is a Russian forum thread (http://mongol.su/forum/index.php?topic=630.100) where someone who worked there (as a civilian, apparently) wrote something ambiguous (includes some neat pics!). In the same sentence, he mentions housing services (КЭЧ), a staff, a signals regiment, infantry, and electricity generation. The other result is an Odnoklassniki page (https://ok.ru/group/51808659177570) for the unit. The page is labeled КЭЧ, and the photos look pretty domestic.
Researcher indicates he doesn't know what to conclude, since one unit number could encompass a lot, but that it is odd for a document to a foreigner (an active duty Colonel no less) to be signed by someone of comparatively low rank (Lt. Colonel Zykov, commander of unit 68202) from a backwater unit.
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Oops... unfortunate typo, my laptop is old and clearly needs a new keyboard!
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Top open items in your Mongolia 'want' list?
in People's Republic Mongolia
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I surprisingly managed to close some 'high end' gaps this past year.
Will always be interested in (documented) screwback SB's as well as documented Soviet/Mongolian cross-over groups (dare I dream of an 'impossible' Albanian/Mongolian cross-over group?) but my real top 3 of 'wants' on my wish list are as follows:
1) Badge of the Hero of MPR (not the hero gold start but the one which looks like the Order of SB)
2) Order of the Red Banner of Labor Valor (1920's style, with the polar star white bands criss crossing the order)
3) Order of the Red Banner of Military / Combat Valor (i.e. old style with crossed sword/rifle at the bottom) awarding nr 2 or nr 3
I am skipping above the enamel ribbon I am still searching for for the Order of SB
What are yours?