Bob

I assume, that in our collectors community YU-Awards are regarded in terms of design, beauty and craftmanship as ranking No. 3 behind Soviet and Mongolian awards.

Don't forget ALBANIAN awards!

With those kind of wholesale prices, it makes it perfectly reasonable to assume that here in the west at the end of the supply chain, well >3K will be the norm going forward. Although I agree, 15K is a "bit" over the top

Will be interesting to find out moving forward how many of these SB's were awarded for something more exotic than long service (whether military or public service... such as herding cattle for 15 years) and if the archives contain more than just a name / award date.

While reviewing this thread with much admiration for the beautiful items, I couldn't help but think "actually, in the greater scheme of things, these SB's aren't that expensive":

- arguably the most beautifully designed award on the planet

- high quality of manufacture

- made out of precious metal

- numbered (offering research potential)

- very few publically available for purchase at any point in time

- and, last but not least, max roughly 2.000 in existence

Now... translate that to a Soviet award of similar stature (albeit with a larger "collecting" market) and I can't help but believe that in the not so distant future we'll be seeing 4-5K for an SB.

6 months ago or so I prediced 3K by end of 2006... I was wrong (although only screwback available from dealer is at 2.9K). Still, looking back 1.5 - 2 years ago when these were for sale for well less than 1K... even a "slowdown" in the rate of increasing price level will still mean a dramatic increase. Add opening up of the archives to the recipe and I think we have a pretty explosive mix...

$25,000 would seem a little high, but not unreasonable.

The silly price asked for this one was $100,000.

I mentioned they all read Igor's website, didn't I?

Not just reading, but also supplying... (perhaps even on consignment?). Seems like a lot of money stuck in inventory for this guy in a country where that kind of money can buy you a lot of other stuff...

Out of curiosity, what is the Hungarian "equivalent" of the Order of Lenin? E.g. such as the Dimitrov order in Bulgaria.

Would be nice if some of these "dealers" would join GMIC. Worst case, just to share their items which will surely help in connecting the dots.

$25,000 would seem a little high, but not unreasonable.

The silly price asked for this one was $100,000.

I mentioned they all read Igor's website, didn't I?

Yes, and that'll drive an inflationary effect on Mongolian awards I am sure... hold on tight!

The 25K i was offered was from Moscow so I was hoping UB would be substantially lower... 100K us certainly not lower:)

To quote the Beach Boys: "wouldn't it be nice..."

Very nice

I am curious, what prices are being quoted for these in Mongolia (I recently had a Hero star offered to me for 25K USD).

Bob

Updated list - increasingly providing information on what happened... e.g. an apparent "collective awarding" of motherhood 1st class early 1967.

AWARD NUMBER DATE

Distinguished Co-Worker of the State Security Service 163 17/07/1944

Distinguished Co-Worker of the State Security Service 393 10/09/1973

Distinguished Co-Worker of the State Security Service 435 01/03/1954

Hero of Labour Gold Soyombo 1 1956

Hero of Labour Gold Soyombo 52 28/11/1962

Hero of Labour Gold Soyombo 79 13/10/1966

Hero of Labour Gold Soyombo 250 1981

Hero of Labour Gold Soyombo 424 03/04/1986

Honorious Medal of Labour 1,554 06/07/1991

Honorious Medal of Labour 2,614 11/09/1946

Honorious Medal of Labour 7,982 11/03/1959

Honorious Medal of Labour 9,393 13/11/1956

Honorious Medal of Labour 9,672 27/09/1956

Honorious Medal of Labour 10,328 30/08/1956

Honorious Medal of Labour 10,660 17/10/1951

Honorious Medal of Labour 11,032 06/11/1956

Honorious Medal of Labour 16,235 26/06/1964

Honorious Medal of Labour 16,335 11/11/1960

Honorious Medal of Labour 16,573 15/07/1965

Honorious Medal of Labour 16,634 23/07/1965

Honorious Medal of Labour 17,040 07/07/1966

Honorious Medal of Labour 23,159 04/08/1976

Honorious Medal of Labour 24,082 14/07/1960

Honored Railway Worker 105 14/01/1981

Medal We Won 2,826 06/07/1946

Medal We Won 3,443 06/07/1946

Medal We Won 5,698 16/07/1947

Medal We Won 9,678 09/07/1946

Medal We Won 21,406 20/09/1946

Medal We Won 26,931 28/12/1990

Medal We Won 52,388 28/12/1990

Medal 25 Years of the MPR 33 12/05/1947

Medal 25 Years of the MPR 13,958 30/07/1946

Medal 25 Years of the MPR 14,184 17/08/1946

Medal 40 Years of the MPR 119 07/09/1961

Medal 40 Years of the MPR 1,974 07/07/1961

Medal 40 Years of the MPR 4,758 10/07/1961

Medal 40 Years of the MPR 15,955 15/09/1961

Medal 40 Years of the MPR 29,673 28/09/1961

Medal for Meritorious Service in Battle 854 26/09/1946

Medal for Meritorious Service in Battle 902 10/07/1941

Medal for Meritorious Service in Battle 1,288 16/09/1947

Medal for Meritorious Service in Battle 2,974 09/11/1948

Medal for Meritorious Service in Battle 3,159 20/08/1951

Medal for Meritorious Service in Battle 3,191 20/08/1957

Medal for Meritorious Service in Battle 3,561 05/07/1956

Medal for Meritorious Service in Battle 3,813 08/07/1947

Medal for Meritorious Service in Battle 4,125 30/06/1986

Medal for Meritorious Service in Battle 4,144 23/09/1948

Medal for Meritorious Service in Battle 4,312 08/07/1947

Medal for Meritorious Service in Battle 4,521 11/09/1953

Medal for Meritorious Service in Battle 4,794 09/07/1982

Medal for Meritorious Service in Battle 5,228 24/07/1954

Medal for Meritorious Service in Battle 5,514 20/08/1951

Medal for Meritorious Service in Battle 6,094 22/07/1946

Medal for Meritorious Service in Battle 7,153 08/07/1946

Medal for Meritorious Service in Battle 7,622 08/07/1946

Medal for Meritorious Service in Battle 19,346 24/09/1984

Medal for Meritorious Service in Battle 20,151 19/07/1985

Medal for Unselfishness 1,046 29/04/1999

Medal for Unselfishness 1,176 06/05/1991 ?

Medal of Friendship 1,761 12/11/1968

Medal of Friendship 4,086 1971

Order for Meritorious Service in Battle 14 06/07/1946

Order for Meritorious Service in Battle 391 11/09/1953

Order for Meritorious Service in Battle 652 08/09/1950

Order for Meritorious Service in Battle 1,049 01/10/1959

Order for Meritorious Service in Battle 1,552 29/09/1964

Order for Meritorious Service in Battle 2,146 00/06/1969

Order for Meritorious Service in Battle 2,695 1972

Order for Meritorious Service in Battle 2,777 1971

Order for Meritorious Service in Battle 4,836 15/07/1985

Order for Meritorious Service in Battle 5,138 03/04/1986

Order for Meritorious Service in Battle 5,685 27/03/1987

Order for Meritorious Service in Battle 6,300 09/07/1988

Order for Meritorious Service in Battle 6,515 04/07/1991

Order for Meritorious Service in Battle 6,854 29/08/1995

Order for Meritorious Service in Battle 6,885 28/08/1995

Order for Meritorious Service in Battle 6,972 29/08/1995

Order for Meritorious Service in Battle 7,388 15/09/1995

Order for Meritorious Service in Battle 8,068 09/08/1999

Order for Meritorious Service in Battle 8,126 09/08/1999

Order of the Red Banner of Military Valour 859 08/09/1939

Order of Combat Red Banner 603 27/11/1958

Order of Combat Red Banner 2,205

Order of Combat Red Banner 4,953 29/08/1995

Order of Combat Red Banner 5,348 09/08/1999

Order of Mother Heroine - 1st class 5,396 16/02/1965

Order of Mother Heroine - 1st class 7,981 01/03/1967

Order of Mother Heroine - 1st class 8,128 01/03/1967

Order of Mother Heroine - 1st class 11,608 13/02/1970

Order of Mother Heroine - 1st class 16,062 21/02/1972

Order of Mother Heroine - 1st class 25/01/1975

Order of Mother Heroine - 1st class 24,179 20/02/1976

Order of Mother Heroine - 1st class 31,252 22/02/1978

Order of Mother Heroine - 1st class 33,062 17/02/1979

Order of Mother Heroine - 1st class 34,361 23/02/1980

Order of Mother Heroine - 1st class 43,883 00/03/1984

Order of Mother Heroine - 1st class 45,130 25/02/1981

Order of Mother Heroine - 2nd class 543 29/05/1958

Order of Mother Heroine - 2nd class 9,195 25/06/1958

Order of Mother Heroine - 2nd class 13,892 10/10/1958

Order of Mother Heroine - 2nd class 15,709 10/11/1958

Order of Mother Heroine - 2nd class 23,370 26/02/1960

Order of Mother Heroine - 2nd class 23,451 25/02/1960

Order of Mother Heroine - 2nd class 25,633 02/03/1961

Order of Mother Heroine - 2nd class 29,451 25/02/1962

Order of Mother Heroine - 2nd class 36,905 11/02/1964

Order of Mother Heroine - 2nd class 39,895 04/03/1964

Order of Mother Heroine - 2nd class 61,823 08/02/1969

Order of Mother Heroine - 2nd class 77,748 17/02/1972

Order of Mother Heroine - 2nd class 77,962 17/02/1972

Order of Mother Heroine - 2nd class 84,187 22/02/1973

Order of Mother Heroine - 2nd class 116,403 00/00/1978

Order of Mother Heroine - 2nd class 120,901 27/02/1980

Order of Mother Heroine - 2nd class 130,167 24/02/1981

Order of Mother Heroine - 2nd class 145,118 18/08/1985

Order of Mother Heroine - 2nd class 145,718 1985

Order of Mother Heroine - 2nd class 145,926 04/03/1985

Order of Mother Heroine - 2nd class 158,495 24/05/1988

Order of Mother Heroine - 2nd class 187,862 22/05/1995

Order of Mother Heroine - 2nd class 191,632 00/5/1997

Order of Mother Heroine - 2nd class 191,640 22/05/1997

Order of Mother Heroine - 2nd class 196,039 10/05/2000

Order of Polar Star 88 06/07/1946

Order of Polar Star 270 06/07/1946

Order of Polar Star 822 23/09/1946

Order of Polar Star 1,029 29/09/1945

Order of Polar Star 1,162 17/10/1951

Order of Polar Star 1,217 04/12/1955

Order of Polar Star 1,225 6/09/1944

Order of Polar Star 1,562 08/07/1947

Order of Polar Star 1,956 29/11/1955

Order of Polar Star 2,265 3/11/1945

Order of Polar Star 2,313 26/09/1945

Order of Polar Star 2,506 30/12/1956

Order of Polar Star 2,705 08/12/1948

Order of Polar Star 2,824 05/02/1949

Order of Polar Star 2,946 08/07/1950

Order of Polar Star 3,079 16/01/1957

Order of Polar Star 3,301 1956

Order of Polar Star 3,553 08/07/1947

Order of Polar Star 3,917 30/12/1956

Order of Polar Star 4,832 06/11/1956

Order of Polar Star 4,948 08/12/1948

Order of Polar Star 5,401 20/10/1956

Order of Polar Star 5,556 17/09/1953

Order of Polar Star 5,901 20/07/1946

Order of Polar Star 5,941 24/07/1948

Order of Polar Star 6,133 16/02/1956

Order of Polar Star 6,335 24/05/1950

Order of Polar Star 6,453 10/11/1956

Order of Polar Star 8,143 15/11/1958

Order of Polar Star 8,712 22/10/1959

Order of Polar Star 9,013 14/12/1957

Order of Polar Star 9,138 14/07/1960

Order of Polar Star 10,358 25/08/1961

Order of Polar Star 11,340 18/05/1965

Order of Polar Star 11,611 00/03/1966

Order of Polar Star 13,376 01/12/1969

Order of Polar Star 13,809 03/06/1971

Order of Polar Star 14,236 03/07/1971

Order of Polar Star 14,292 03/06/1971

Order of Polar Star 14,718 12/03/1973

Order of Polar Star 15,860 03/07/1971

Order of Polar Star 17,522 10/06/1976

Order of Polar Star 18,389 19/10/1976

Order of Polar Star 19,735 01/12/1979

Order of Polar Star 25,483 03/04/1980

Order of Polar Star 26,734 19/11/1990

Order of Polar Star 27,017 03/07/1991

Order of Polar Star 28,321 18/04/1995

Order of Polar Star 29,034 29/11/1998

Order of Polar Star 29,893 6-xx-2000

Order of Polar Star 31,529 21/11/2001

Order of Polar Star 185/1804 1936

Order of Suche Baatar 1 1941

Order of Suche Baatar 24 1946

Order of Suche Baatar 31 1949

Order of Suche Baatar 158 1957

Order of Suche Baatar 158 24/10/1957

Order of Suche Baatar 166 29/05/1957

Order of Suche Baatar 186 06/07/1960

Order of Suche Baatar 340 1961

Order of Suche Baatar 341 1961

Order of Suche Baatar 342 1961

Order of Suche Baatar 343 1961

Order of Suche Baatar 344 1961

Order of Suche Baatar 423 1962

Order of Suche Baatar 423 28/11/1962

Order of Suche Baatar 470 13/12/1963

Order of Suche Baatar 541 1966

Order of Suche Baatar 542 1966

Order of Suche Baatar 558 1966

Order of Suche Baatar 586 1968

Order of Suche Baatar 588 1968

Order of Suche Baatar 589 1968

Order of Suche Baatar 591 1968

Order of Suche Baatar 612 10/11/1968

Order of Suche Baatar 642 12/08/1969

Order of Suche Baatar 684 15/10/1969

Order of Suche Baatar 692 1969

Order of Suche Baatar 803 05/07/1971

Order of Suche Baatar 919 1971

Order of Suche Baatar 922 1971

Order of Suche Baatar 923 1971

Order of Suche Baatar 924 1971

Order of Suche Baatar 925 1971

Order of Suche Baatar 927 1971

Order of Suche Baatar 928 1971

Order of Suche Baatar 931 1971

Order of Suche Baatar 932 1971

Order of Suche Baatar 933 1971

Order of Suche Baatar 937 1971

Order of Suche Baatar 989 1973

Order of Suche Baatar 1,123 1975

Order of Suche Baatar 1,255 14/12/1975

Order of Suche Baatar 1,335 1978

Order of Suche Baatar 1,404 22/10/1980

Order of Suche Baatar 1,412 02/12/1980

Order of Suche Baatar 1,462 08/06/1981

Order of Suche Baatar 1,463 1981

Order of Suche Baatar 1,465 1981

Order of Suche Baatar 1,491 09/07/1981

Order of Suche Baatar 1,530 1981

Order of Suche Baatar 1,532 1981

Order of Suche Baatar 1,548 1981

Order of Suche Baatar 1,562 1981

Order of Suche Baatar 1,715 1986

Order of the Red Banner of Labour 621 17/11/1951

Order of the Red Banner of Labour 1,039 16/02/1956

Order of the Red Banner of Labour 1,423 24/12/1959

Order of the Red Banner of Labour 2,329 22/10/1960

Order of the Red Banner of Labour 2,845 01/02/1960

Order of the Red Banner of Labour 2,869 24/12/1959

Order of the Red Banner of Labour 3,744 24/11/1973

Order of the Red Banner of Labour 3,809 28/04/1980

Order of the Red Banner of Labour 4,452 28/01/1975

Order of the Red Banner of Labour 4,835 22/12/1978

Order of the Red Banner of Labour 5,050 09/07/1981

Order of the Red Banner of Labour 5,826 00/00/1987

Order of the Red Banner of Labour 6,238 15/04/1993

Title of Merit 607 26/06/1981

Udarnik 2,203 31/10/1947

Virgin Lands 1,187 24/10/1979

Virgin Lands 1,300 24/10/1979

Virgin Lands 3,074 16/12/1982

Am updating the big serial number list but travelling without access to files. Anybody here who can indicate English names of awards + dates?

Number of reasons why I am in doubt about this one, such as:

- wrong screwdisc

- mint mark on reverse

- the ring fixed to the ribbon is not as even in thickness compared with other ones

- enamel on the medal itself appears to be putting more distance between the soyombo elements

- don't entirely like the numbering on reverse

However, I must say the enamel (also on ribbon) is quite good. Could it be that a Type 3 exists?

Tang Si - do you own it? What is the provenance?

Excerpted from Bob's really useful master list of serial numbers and dates of award (see http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=9917 and THANKS, BOB! ), here are known data points for the Hero of Labor "Goly Soyombo" Medal (A3):

1 1956

52 28/11/1962

250 1981

424 03/04/1986

Just seen pics of a Soyombo numbered 424 interestingly enough (coming from China) which is apparently on the market for sale... but it concerns me:

- either there is a type 3 Soyombo (more similar to type 2 than 1)

- or it's a fake

Considering the lack of documentation already on type 2 and with the presumably only one shared on this site being "vetted" by the ultimate expert, I am naturally inclined to assume that the 424 is a fake but obviously may very well be wrong as in fact some of the differences vs. type 2 are such which would not make sense for a faker to make (e.g. what appears to be a mintmark).

Hope the current owner posts pics here for discussion.

That is what he told me, Bob. I think he regrets it now, though.

Well, it's never too late for him to get back in... although that would probably result in the high-end gaps in my collection becoming even more unattainable.

Bob,

I recall Dmitry Markov had a pinback for sale recently. Does anyone know what it was sold for?

William

Are you sure? I thought Dmitry Markov had stepped out of Mongolian awards a year or so ago.

Thanks Lukasz,

More Mongolian ribbons than I realized apparently. Will have to double check Dr B's book because I did scan through it and don't recall seeing indications for all those ribbons but then perhaps you are correct indeed there are more ribbons than we know.

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=2430...mp;#entry153904

Cross-reference to the main Mongolian ribbons thread.

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=15730

Let's see what comes out of this...

Here's one that I recently bought. Nice box and (corresponding?) booklet. The date seems out of whack though.

http://www.russianglory.com/soviet_orders.htm

Why is the OoL nr 42.105 11k USD?

I am a relative novice in Soviet awards but isn't that a fairly common Lenin?

Recently sold

PINBACK

- USD 1.870, nr 1.918, Nota Bene - JANUARY 2007

- USD 1.880, nr 1.785, Nota Bene - JANUARY 2007 (boxed)

- USD 1.950, nr 860, www.russianglory.com - MARCH 2007

SCREWBACK

- USD 1.680, nr 644, Nota Bene - NOVEMBER 2006

Currently for sale

PIN BACK

- EURO 1.600 (roughly 2.100 USD), nr 1183, www.huesken.com

SCREWBACK

- USD 2.900, nr 640, www.collectrussia.com

Sold to me as Mongolian, but only the first one seems Mongolian to me (Order of Combat Valor). So, where's the rest from? Or is this a fantasy piece?

Seeing them next to each other, to be honest, the SB I found to be really in a different league vs. the OoL in terms of beauty.

The Lenin's are great of course... but you've just gotta love the SB's.

It's a genuine pinback (1785 if I recall correctly)

That is a very "Chinese" box. I'd have to wonder about its legitimate match with a Mongolian award!

Agree - unfortunately another "story" we'll not easily get to the bottom of.

Here we go - not very sharp images but gives an impression