Solomon

Hello gentlemen,

please show me all of your "roses" you have in your "garden"...

And don?t be shy...we are gentlemen!

I?ll start with a very beautiful flower:

Lippische Rose fuer Kunst und Wissenschaft 2. Klasse mit Eichenlaub

(Order for art and science Lippe-Detmold 2nd class with oakleaves)

Hi Tony,

here are some answers:

It is zinc, for sure. It is the same zinc, the late red-cross medals or the prussian cross for war-aid are made of

(the zinc is not like the zinc-badges from WW II).

I have various metals in my collection (gold, silver, iron, tin, zinc or bronze....), the only compareable metal is tin...but this metal is different.

It weight is just 11.6 gram.

The core contains two pieces...there is no doubt. As you can see on my last picture, the frame is damaged where the ring is soldered.

I took a careful look inside the frame and I saw two core-plates.

I know some other ICs which look very similiar to my one (posted on another military-board).

I?m quite sure they came from the same manufacture, but none of the others had a zinc-frame

I hope I helped you...

Greetings

Solomon

Thank you gentlemen for your help...

Rick, I?m young...so there is much time to read through all lists

If he awarded the HO from Detmold (4th class 1st div.) there are only 560 possible men

Greetings

Solomon

Thank you Mark, I didn?t know that...This makes the combination quite more bizarre.

Four different states...and at least three of four awards were high awards/house orders

(Prussia, Saxony, Lippe Schaumburg or Detmold).

I?m quite confused...

Greetings

Solomon

Solomon

The Reuss War ribbon was issued from 1915 on. I would think your set was issued early war before he earned an EK2. I might also think the first ribbon was a crown order, as it would be unusual to mount a long service award in front of a war ribbon.

Regards,

Mark

By the way - Nice little bar

The crown order was my first thought, but the dark blue color confused me.

And I compared the color with my other miniatures (crown order =light blue and Prussia long Service = dark blue).

But you are right with your argument...the long service award has to be mounted after the house orders!

Now the combination makes more sence.

You mean the war 1870/71 ? The WW I is impossible...because of the missing "lower" awards...military merit medal Lippe for example...

Greetings

Solomon

and the Revers...nice, isn?t it?

Hi gents,

I?ve a nice (small) bar in my collection with the following awards:

-Prussia long service medal/cross

-Ducal Saxe-Ernestine House Order

-Reuss or Waldeck (What is possible? Any suggestions?)

-House Order Lippe (Detmold or Schaumburg...both are possible!)

The button is made of silver and signed with Jean Godet und Sohn.

Can anybody define the time, this miniature was made?

The Centenar-Medal, a Iron Cross (1870 or 1914) and the medal for the war 1870/71 are missing.

I think, it is made between 1871 and 1897...does anybody support that?

And what does this combination say about the former owner?

If the time 1871-1897 is right, it is a rare bird...both House Order Lippe were awarded only a few times between these years!

I hope, you can help me...

Greetings

Solomon

Iff real then i really wonder iff names can be put on this one as that would be really something for sure. But i guess that will be dreaming with open eyes

Cordial greetings,

Please look into your PNs...i?ve some news for you

There is photographic evidence that Red Cross men AND military sanitats types were awarded both the EK and the HK.

I concur however, that the VAST majority of these ribbons would be for the war cross.

HK = Hindenburg-cross = "Frontkaempfer-Ehrenkreuz" ?

The Kriegsehrenmedaille Lippe-Detmold was a award for civilians...it is indirect fixed in the award statutes.

Greetings

Solomon

Hello,

Thank you for the constructive answers. Will post a detailed scan from the eagles etc ... once the bar arrived => and am looking forward towards the toughts of you guys.

So we have here a few possibility's for the 2 nd. ribbon

A) Kriegsverdienstkreuz

B) Kriegsehren-Medaille 1915-18 (Lippe Detmond) am Band fur Verdienst im Feindesland

As A) is the most common it is probably the one it does represent, altough we will never ever know for sure.

Thanks for looking and the reply's,

The Kriegsehren-Medaille Lippe-Detmold with combatant ribbon isn?t possible, sorry

He had to care for wounded soldiers or to do other social work in a Red Cross organisation at the front to

award this medal. But there is no hint on that.

The Hindenburg-cross and the IC 2nd class 1914 belong to a brave soldier.

By the way it is a quite regular combination : IC 2nd class - KVK Lippe .

Greetings

Solomon

Is that the one that was on ebay.de?The zinc part caught my eye,but the way the medal ring was attached sorta made me think.Your pics are much better then what was on ebay.Interesting catch!

Scott

Yes, it?s from ebay.de...quite cheap, so I couldn?t say no

The wire for the ring is soldered inside the frame...I guess it is silver, it is not magnetic.

I made a better scan...I hope you can see what I mean...

Greetings

Solomon

...and the last picture...The EK II on the right is a KO-marked.

another picture...don?t forget your sun-glasses!!!!!

Hi,

I would like to show you one of the ugliest EKs, I?ve have ever seen

The frame is made of zinc...and the core contains of two pieces

The size is quite normal but the weight is quite low.

The 4 in 1914 is closed...

I guess this one is made after 1918...but I?ve never seen a zinc-frame before...

Does anybody have a similiar iron cross 1914 ???

Greetings

Solomon

I had some problems with my PC, sorry for the late answer...

It is fantastic to prove such pictures with the fitting award rolls, isn?t it

Thank you for sharing this photo, Rick A very interesting combination of awards

Greetings

Solomon

Also a very interesting picture!

Now I have a name, to look for in the archive...interesting, that this man is also not listed in the award rolls

Greetings

Solomon

The name and rank, you asked for, is

Assistenz- und Batallionsarzt des Armierungsbatallions No. 119

Dr. Friedrich Lang

He was a doctor in the army...a very nice group with IC at non-combatant-ribbon and long-service-medal.

Greetings

Solomon

Gentlemen,

this very "interresting" bar re-appered ...

And the missing "Allgemeines Ehrenzeichen Preussen" re-appeared alone with a "new" ribbon

Link: EBAY-auction

Greetings

Solomon

...and a closer look at his medal-bar:

Hello gents,

here is another nice photo (carte de visit?), which I hope you can identify:

This officer wears at his bar:

-Eisernes Kreuz 2.Klasse 1870 (iron cross 2nd class 1870)

-Kriegsdenkm?nze 1870/71 (war medal 1870/71)

-Oldenburg Hausorden Ritterkreuz 2.Klasse mit Schwertern ( ???) (Oldenburg house-order knights-cross 2nd class with swords)

- Hausorden Lippe Detmold Ehrenkreuz 3.Klasse (house-order Lippe-Detmold 3th class)

I don?t know for sure if it is the 1st model of the HO Lippe-Detmold (chiffre LA, awarded 1887-1889= 16 times !) or the 2nd model (chiffre L awarded 1890-1918=276 times!).

But this photo must be taken before 1897...(missing Centenar-Medaille).

At its back there is a stamp from the photograph "Theodor Pr?mm, Unter den Linden 51 in Berlin" which shows the year 1888.

If 1888 is the right year, the ID of the shown man should be very easy...can anybody help me and rename this soldier?

Thank you for your help

Greetings

Solomon

Hmm, sure with the Freemason medal? I?m missing the typical insignia...compasses, pyramid or "magic eye"...

But I don?t know what else it can be...

Greetings

Solomon

Hi Solomon,

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It is interesting to see that Richthofen had to aknowledge receipt of Lippe?s Kriegsehrenkreuz f?r heldenm?tige Tat by signing the document on October 23 1917. It is also very interesting that the document shows the other awards up to that date.

Did MvR fill that out with his own hand? Is that his handwriting?

Everybody who got the Lippe?s Kriegsehrenkreuz f?r heldenm?tige Tat (honor cross for heroic deeds)

had to sign such a reciept.

I had also the original signed reciepts from Wilhelm II., von Bismarck, von Ludendorff etc in my hands.

I don?t know for sure if MvR filled out the list of his awards...I haven?t any other paper to compare his handwriting.

But his signature is his original one!

It was quite a strange feeling to hold this original paper in my hands with the knowledge that he held exactly the same paper in his hands a long time ago...

Greetings

Solomon

I made a better scan from the list of his awards...I copied the numbers from you.

I didn?t know, that this document was published in a book before, I made a copy from the original (originally signed by v. Richthofen ) when I vistited the archive in Detmold.

No. 14 you won?t be able to identify...because I heard almost nobody knows this "award":

Manfred v. Richthofen wrote:

Bronzeb?ste mit gravierter Widmung: Dem ruhmvollen Rittm Frh. v. Richthofen sein dankbarer K?nig 18.9.1917

(free translation = bronze bust / statue with engraved dedication: For the famous Rittmeister Freiherr von Richthofen from his grateful king)

No.19 is the Austrian medal for bravery ( He wrote: ?esterr. Tapferkeits-Medaille)

I hope I could help you

Greetings Solomon

Hello Gents,

it?s time to reactivate this thread

Now I have the rarest combination of this medal in my collection

It is the

war merit medal Lippe-Detmold on a bow-style ribbon (combatant-ribbon !!!) for women

As mentioned there are only 459 awards with the combantant?s ribbon (yellow center).

I?m quite sure, that there are less than 100 awards for women with this ribbon!

The woman who owned my medal, must have been a nurse from Lippe who worked in a military hospital at the front

When I?ll visit the archive in Detmold again, I?ll check if my supposed number of awards for women is correct

I hope you like it although it?s from a female

Greetings

Solomon

This document may help you, too...the original can be found in the archive of Detmold

I showed it in this thread:

War Honor Cross for Heroic Deeds with the original case, Kriegsehrenkreuz f?r heldenm?tige Tat Lippe-Detmold

Greetings

Solomon