Solomon

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Okay, gentlemen here a some information you can?t find in a book (but in the archive in Detmold, I visited today )

There were only two manufactures of this rose:

Richard Diller, Dresden (produced 1901-1914)

He got the Order for art and science 3th class...

C.F. Zimmermann (1917-1920) (only roses of the 1st class from Zimmermann are known!!!)

Numbers of awards (according to the existing lists)

1st class with the crown 34 awards

2nd class with oakleaves 43 awards

3th class with ring 130 awards

Only 4 women awarded the order for art and science with oakleaves Lippe-Detmold:

1) 14.2.1906 Prevosti, Franceschina (opera-singer /Sopran)

*13. 5. 1866 Livorno, died 28. 12. 1938 Camogli b. Genua

2) 24.2.1911 Strandberg, Lilly geb. Wallenthin (art-name "Lilly Walleni" / opera-singer /Mezzosopran)

*11. 8. 1875 Malm?, died 14. 5. 1920 Stockholm

3) 24.2.1911 Kaempfert, Anna (opera-singer)* 25.5. 1877 Stuttgart, died ???

4) 23.12.1917 Hirschfelder, Martha geb. Nauen (profession unknown)

* 6.6.1868 Mainz, died ???

I?m quite sure my rose belongs to the first woman (Franceschina Prevosti).

This woman also got in 1904 the rose of the 3th class (She had to return the rose after she awarded the 2nd class).

I know that the woman who awarded my rose, got also the order for art and science 3th class Schaumburg-Lippe.

I found a document from this woman in which she said thank you to the Staatsministeium Lippe-Detmold and in which she mentioned the prince-regent from Schaumburg-Lippe.

This is no evidence, but it is quite possible.

Greetings

Solomon

And I also have a "Feldspange" with this war merit medal

On this bar you can also find

-iron cross 2nd class 1914

-war merit cross Lippe-Detmold

-war merit medal Lippe-Detmold

-medal for long service ("Dienstauszeichnung")

-Kyffh?user-medal

Greetings

Solomon

Hello,

i think it?s time for another example from Lippe-Detmold, not as rare as the other things I allready showed, but still very nice:

The material of this medal is bronze.

The ribbon gold-red-gold is an original one.

This medal with swords on the medal was awarded since 1915 and about 1,945 times.

The first model of this medal without swords is very rare and was awarded 1832-1915 (less than 150 times!).

Even rarer are the medals which had their swords on the ribbon and which were given to colonial-combatants.

Mr. Nimmergut says that there were only 4 awards, but i know somebody who is not in this list.

Greetings

Solomon

It?s the design, that WAGNER used (crown and oakleaves, the writing of 1870).

Btw...some other collectors identified this cross as a WAGNER-cross...i wasn?t able to do

Greetings

Solomon

This cross belongs to that part of my collection i inherited last year

There are so many fakes of this rare cross...that i felt forced to show it...

Unfortunately i don?t have a fitting document...it?s very hard to find...

Greetings

Solomon

...and a original miniature of the iron cross 1870.

The piece is fully made of silver...the perfect small brother of my cross

...the back of this cross

Hello,

after some stuff from Lippe-Detmold, it?s now time for a nice prussian award

It?s a original awarded iron cross 2nd class 1870...

Of course the cross contains three parts with a iron center.

It?s not marked, but it is a typical piece from WAGNER.

It was arwarded in 1870 or 1871...it?s not one of the late crosses.

If anybody needs better pics, feel free to ask...

Greetings

Solomon

Well, not ONLY that, Solomon, but what you have here is the HUSBAND "at his job" (Vortragender Rat, number 2 man at the Lippe Geheimer-Zivil-Kabinett per the 1917 Hof-und- Staats-Kalendar) forwarding an award "officially in the 3rd person"

TO HIS OWN WIFE.

Yes, thats right. I knew this, when i got this document

I think there?ll be not a small number of husbands in upper positions who gave awards to the wifes.

More interesting is that his wife had also a "Dr." in her name

Greetings

Solomon

and the fitting document (but i bought it separate...)

The document says that this medal (with the ribbon for non-combatants / white center)

was given to woman (Frau Geheimrat Dr. Schroeder)

I think this document might be quite rare

Greetings

Solomon

Hi,

i think it?s time for another nice example from the prinicipal Lippe-Detmold:

The yellow-red-white ribbon is the original (for non-combatants!)

The material is bronze

I?m sorry, but i don?t know the number of awards...perhaps anyone can help me?

The medal:

...and last but not least the opened case

The original case (closed)

...marked with J.G. u. S. (stands for Jean Godet und Sohn)

Revers of this order

Hello,

I?ll show you some pictures of my crown-order 4th class (1867-1918 2nd version)

with the original case and ribbon.

If you need better ones, please send me an email (or visit me in OWL ).

Avers (with a little repair at the top)

Thank you for your fantastic and detailed work

I?m wondering that the number is so small...i thought it was much larger...(perhaps about 800...).

The archive in Detmold is not far away from here (about 20 km)...when i?ll have more time (after my wedding ) , i?ll visit it and look what there also can be found out....

Greetings

Solomon

Hello Heiko,

here is a better scan (1200dpi) of the center.

I?m not sure but the golden plate under the rose might be really gold.

If you need still a better scan, please send me a PM...it?s no problem!

Greetings

Solomon

Solomon,

That is another very nice cross. I don't have any documents for this award, but you might not have seen a portrait of an officer based in Minden that I posted in early November of last year. It is not the same grade of the cross, but still a nice image of one in wear.

David

I think,the cross is the same grade but it isn?t the same principal

It?s the honor cross 4th class Schaumburg-Lippe.

The principals Lippe-Detmold and Schaumburg-Lippe were divided in 1897...

Greetings

Solomon

Hello again,

something quite rare just arrived today

This cross was awarded from 1913-1918. The letter "L" at the back stands for "F?rst Leopold IV zur Lippe".

The cross is made of silver. Around the rose in the center (little damaged) you can read "Fuer Treue und Verdienst" (...for loyality and honor...)

The ribbon is an original one (gold-red-gold).

There were about 1450 awards without swords in all classes (1st - 4th).

Unfortunately i don?t know the numbers of each class.

If anybody has a document that fits to it -feel free to show it !

I hope you like this cross too

Greetings

Solomon

Last but not least...the reverse of the document with the complete statutes of the WMK Lippe-Detmold

With Soloman's packet, this makes exactly three that I've seen. Ever.

Me too...I?ve never seen such a pocket sold...maybe treated as waste???

Greetings Solomon

Upps...i?ve forgotten something...

Something small i?ve also in my collection

1) Feldspange with the war merit cross (WWII)

2) the miniature of the cross

Greetings

Solomon

...and last but not least the document