Schießplatzmeister
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Hello Pep:
Welcome to the forum. Your eyes did not deceive you. For Prussian Crown Order awards there are at least five proper ribbons that I can think of off the top of my head:
The cornflower blue ribbon for awards without swords (non-combatant awards).
The black ribbon with white side stripes (Iron Cross-style) for combatant awards (with swords).
The white ribbon with multiple narrow black stripes and narrow red borders (ie: the same as the WWI Prussian War Aid Cross). This was the ribbon for awards with the "Geneva Cross" awarded mostly for the 1870-71 conflict to male medical staff.
The white ribbon with black side stripes (Iron Cross-style). Very few special awards made.
The lifesaving medal ribbon (orange with white side-stripes). Very few special awards made.
There may be more ribbon possibilities, but this is not my area of expertise.
Regarding field ribbon bar devices there are a variety of possibilities:
On the cornflower blue ribbon there would usually be no device, unless worn in the Austrian-style with a device representing a higher-grade.
On the black ribbon with white side stripes, crossed swords would be normal.
On the ribbon for the Geneva Cross award, a Geneva Cross device is sometimes seen.
I probably didn't address all of your questions, but now you have a starting place. There are many good publications on this topic (in German).
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On 10/20/2008 at 08:34, Theodor said:
What is this.... J. Hissler?
Hello:
This is a photo of Ritter Jakob von Hitzler. *8.5.1877 †12.5.1915 He was posthumously awarded to MMJO RK. I have a large grouping of photos that belonged to him.
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Hello again:
Chris, you bring up a good point that the piece could be a period wearing copy (Spangenstück). I guess that this is possible, but with such copies, unless they come from the family of the veteran directly, then I would be doubtful. This is certainly not one of the numerous more modern "copies" (really forgeries) often seen. All that is known is that it is not an issued piece. Proving what it is beyond that, is a rather complex issue. In any case, I would advise collectors to stay away from such items and spend a bit more on a genuine piece. But, some collectors are satisfied with such pieces in their collections. It is a matter of personal taste.
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The document is not only not a period document, it is a relatively modern forgery.
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Hello:
A single photo with a group does not necessarily mean that individual is the recipient of the award shown. Documentation (Urkunden), etc. are acceptable for attributing an award. If documentation exists, then the photographs can be considered to possibly be of the recipient of that particular award.
The Bene Merenti piece is a really awful forgery. There are better quality forgeries, so beware.
The e-medals piece itself is 100% original and correct. However, the photo is not necessarily of the recipient of that particular award. Also, the case is incorrect.
See this website for more information: http://www.medalnet.net/Difference.htm
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Hello Andreas:
My copy of the book is finally here! It is an outstanding work by Walter Kinast. I am certain that is was a monumental task that took many years to put all of this information in one place. I now know that stories regarding a great many items in my collection. The highest praise for Walter Kinast for his dedication in making this available to collectors and researchers.
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Hello Andreas:
Thank you for the information regarding this new publication! I have purchased a copy of it and can't wait for it to arrive. It will be a great resource for my library.
MfG,
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Hello:
This is a commercial (un-official) medal commemorating 100 years since the founding of the Kingdom of Württemberg (1806-1906). On the obverse is King Friedrich I who was the King in 1806 and King Wilhelm II who was the King in 1906. The medal was struck by Mayer & Wilhelm, Stuttgart who also made Fire Brigade medals during the Weimar era.
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Hello John:
Yes they are struck from silver alloy and are original. The ribbons are also original. I believe that the minimum standard silver alloy for these planchets was probably 800/1000 silver as stated above. The ribbon rings, suspension rings, and sword devices may have been made of slightly lower-silver content allow to make them harder and more durable.
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Hello John:
The medals look to be original. The ribbons however are modern copies (of the correct colors). Both medals do look to be struck from silver alloy. The Württemburg MVM could have been struck from a lower-content silver allow however. It is difficult to be certain via photographs.
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Hello Jason:
Congratulations regarding this item being added to your collection. I am glad that the transaction worked out well and that you are pleased with the piece.
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Hello Jason:
The ribbon appears to be a correct period ribbon for this medal.
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42 minutes ago, dedehansen said:
I read 30 on his Epauletten, this should be Infanterie - Regiment Graf Werder No. 30,
maybe this could help identifying him?!
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AndreasHello Andreas:
Yes it must be IR Graf Werder No. 30 as the photo was taken in Saarlouis. I do not see a recipient with the Adolph of Nassau RK with Swords listed in the 1902 Rangliste, nor the 1911 Rangeliste. The photo is obviously after 1897, so he might be listed in any of the 1903-1910 Preußischen Armee Ranglisten, I don't have these in my library however.
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Hello Chris:
Congratulations regarding this nice group of documents. I especially like the Kriegs-Chronik. I do not often see these for MVM/TKM recipients.
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Hello:
The group looks to have a Marinekorps Flandern Cross ribbon with a battle clasp and a Prussian War Aid Cross ribbon.
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Hello John:
Here is some of the information requested:
Baden, Wilhelm Prinz und Markgraf von. Großherzogliche Hoheit, GK awarded on 8. Januar 1871.
Lefevre, Francois-Joseph, Herzog bon Danzig, GK awarded on 15. Juni 1808.
Nicolaus, Zar von Rußland, GK awarded on 15. Februar 1827.
Regarding the other Grand Duchy of Baden recipients, I probably have the information, but the names/titles provided are not specific enough (everyone was named "Carl", "Max", "Wilhelm", or a combination thereof). I do not have a reference to dates of birth/death in my listing. If you have more specific names/titles, I can search further.
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An interesting question! The original ribbon provided with the award was much longer. The long piece provided originally was usually cut to provide either a ribbon for the uniform buttonhole for daily wear, or sometimes was used to add the award to a large medal bar for formal wear. Thus leaving the short piece that you see. Also, sadly, dealers will sometimes cut up a long piece (if it survived and make ribbons for awards missing ribbons). If a recipient had the financial means, he could purchase all of the extra ribbon that he wanted.
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Hello Tony:
Thank you for sharing the photo of this interesting ribbon. It does not appear to be a PLM ribbon. It appears to have white (and not silver) stripes. It therefore has the correct colors for an EK ribbon, however the proportions are incorrect. It does look to be made of silk possibly and to be old. What is the width of the ribbon?
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13 hours ago, ccj said:
Nice and I am not arguing the ID. He isnt wearing a guards unifor and his straps don't look like general major straps but could be wrong.
it's a wonderful photo
Hello ccj:
You bring up a good point. I was wondering the same thing myself! I know very little about uniforms, but it did not look like a Generalmajor uniform to me either. I also couldn't find the MVO award in my 1914-1918 listing of awards to any Graf von Roedern. There were a few other von Roedern Officers listed in my 1912 Ranglist:
Infanterie=Regiment Keith, (1. Oberschlesisches) Nr. 22, Hptm. Gr. v. Roedern
Ulanen=Regiment Prinz August von Württemberg (Posensches) Nr. 10, Rittm. Gr. v. Roedern
Garde=Kürassier=Regiment, Berlin, Oblt. Gr. v. Roedern
1. Garde=Feldartillerie=Regiment, Berlin, Oblt. Gr. v. Roedern (Konstantin)
1. Garde=Feldartiller=Regiment, Berlin, Oblt. Gr. v. Roedern (Max=Erdmann)
Uhlanen=Regiment Kaiser Alexander III. von Rußland, (Westpreußiches) Nr. 1., Oblt. Gr. v. Roedern (Brieg)
So, perhaps, he is one of these Officers? The mystery continues!
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On 11/5/2015 3:04:35, dedehansen said:
Hi Gents,
is it possible that this guy is Major Graf von Bothmer?
Kind regardsAndreas
Hello Andreas:
Eureka! It took a little bit of digging to find this Officer. He is NOT Bavarian, but is Prussian! He is Garde=Kavallerie=Division., 1. Garde=Kavallerie=Brigade., Kom.: Gen. Maj. Gr. v. Roedern. I found him in my 1912 Rangliste der K.P. Armee. He was the recipient of many high awards, but here is only wearing his minimalist front for everyday duty.
MfG,
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Hello:
I do not think that this is Felix Graf von Bothmer.
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Congratulations Chris!
A very nice paper grouping!
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Hello Mike:
A good question. For a "civilian button ribbon bar", if I understand the question correctly, the highest award ribbon is on top (furthest from the button), with all other awards following is order of precedence, until the lowest-ranked award is at the bottom (closest to the button). The award precedence is the same as the full-sized (large) medal bar and the field ribbon bar for military uniforms.
I hope that this answers your question.
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Navy bar?
in Germany: Imperial: The Orders, Decorations and Medals of The Imperial German States
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Agreed!
This is a pre-WWI large medal bar. The first position should be an 1870/71 EKII, followed by the 1866 Sachsen Erinnerungkreuz (Campaign Cross), followed by a Saxon DA, followed by an 1870/71 campaign medal. The last ribbon is interesting and definitely could be a Swedish decoration. So, properly restored, back to the way it was, it could be much more interesting.