M Hunter

John,

I too would like to see more focused photos but from what I can make out it is a genuine one.

Best wishes

Matt

I don't see anything wrong with this bar... About the KVK - there were many manufacturers hence the difference in swastikas; and this decoration is so common it's not realy worth faking in good quality. What do the others think?

Having looked at some fakes i think both KVKs posted are original but made by two different makers.

Here is an example of a "high-quality replica". Looks good in the photos...but i used to own one of these and if you put it next to an original there is a lot of difference.

Best wishes

Matt

Hello Everyone,

Here is the corrected group, with the Kyffhauserbund Medal and many thanks to Sascha for making this possible.

I really like this group even more now. The EK2 is in near mint condition and the ring is marked with a "G" which I believe indicates manufacture by Godet & Sohn or Berlin.

Thanks again to all who have made this correction possible.

Regards

Brian

Looking good Brian.

Best wishes

Matt

Hi Matt,

I never thought about the single Oldenburg Cross as being a reproduction. However, now you mention it there are some differences between the two. Perhaps this is due to a different manufacturer and/or because it is not made of a ferrous metal (iron). I guess that last statement is really a question.

I am interested in knowing your thoughts on these two crosses.

Regards

Brian

I prefer the one on the left.....

I am no expert on these I am afraid Brian....but I do know there are fakes of these out there.

Perhaps another member can assist Brian? I do not want to be telling him the wrong thing.

Best regards

Matt

:love: Another great addition Brian. The long service cross is exactly as it should be. Maybe you are thinking of the Crown Order 4th Class? I has an enamelled centre with light blue ribbon.

Here is a medal bar in my collection belonging to Generalleutnant Kurt Dittmar....he had the Crown Order 4th Class.

Kind regards

Matt

Very nice Brian!

The only thing I will say is that the 3rd medal is incorrect. This is the correct medal for that ribbon....the Kyffhauser veteran's medal.

Best wishes

Matt

Hello Matt,

Yes the FA cross is iron, the one on the newly-made replacement ribbon is not. Would that one be a later made specimen and possibly made of zinc? Or am I looking at a reproduction?

Regards

Brian

Hello Brian,

As far as I am aware there were both magnetic and non-magnetic FA Crosses...maybe a member can confirm.

I cannot tell if your other cross is reproduction or not as I can only see the top cornor of it.

Best wishes

Matt

Hello Brian,

This looks like a nice example to me. The die that was used in that ribbon has just faded I think.

Is the FA Cross an iron example (magnetic)?

Best wishes

Matt

Hello Mike,

Definately an interesting group.

You can find another discussion here: http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=37671&hl=Kleinmann&st=0

There are some great un-edited pictures of close-ups of the ribbon bar there.

Best regards

Matt

I also know of Hauptmann Laue, father of an old family friend and adjutant to Eitel-Friedrich von Preussen, of the 1. Garde-Regiment-zu-Fuss, who also had the HOH and BZL combo.

Hello Vince,

Did he serve in the Second World War? Do you know of his other awards for example the KVKx?

Thanks

Matt

Very nice and unusual medal bar Tom. I it.

Best wishes

Matt

Nice, but unidentifiable bar.

Precedence is right for post-March 1938.

But at least Christophe and Paul have narrowed it down ...my thanks to both of these gents. I guess it is down to looking at these chaps portraits to see if the ribbon bars match up.

Best wishes to all for contributing,

Matt

Very nice Peter.

Is it possible for the last ribbon to be Saxony Albert Knights Cross 2nd Class with Swords?

Best wishes

Matt

Hi,

Better pics are needed. The 2-place looks good.

Best wishes

Matt

Paul,

Here is the actual link from the site i gave you above. This lists the POW Camps in the UK.

http://www.islandfarm.fsnet.co.uk/LIST%20OF%20UK%20POW%20CAMPS1.htm

Kind regards

Matt

Hi Matt,

Very nice ribbon bar. Your analyse is correct. This officer finished the WW1 with grade of second or first Lieutenant. He probably served in the Reichsheer (need to read the RL to find it )

During WW2, he served, like you said "in a desk job capacity". He was probably Oberstleutnant or Oberst.

On your bar there is only one mistake. It concern the Austrian ribbon which, theoricaly, should be after the long service ribbon. There is no explanation about that choice

Christophe

Christophe

Thank you for the help.

I believe the ribbon bar combination to be correct. This bar was put together during the war (has 1939 KVKx) and usually bars constructed after the 1938 Austrian Anschluss had the Austrian awards bumped up a few places.

Would this chap appear on the Zahringer Lion roles? Would anyone be able to look?

Or is the Imperial combination too meagre to search?

Best regards

Matt

Paul,

The person you seek may not be here but it is a start. http://www.islandfarm.fsnet.co.uk/

Maybe contact the facilitators of this site and see if they know of other camps in England.

Kind regards

Matt

The reverse. The backing is black.

Gentlemen,

As you will see form the pictures there is no Hanseatic Cross ribbons on this one....but sometimes one has to branch out. Ribbons, devices etc are all good and look period. I would like a little help with my analysis of this new ribbon bar...i could be completely on the wrong track.

I think he was most likely an Army Officer (which rank i do not know) given the combination (haven't seen many Zahringer Lions on Naval ribbon bars) He did serve in WW2 hence the KVKx but perhaps received it in a "desk-job" capacity? Not sure if this one can be identified given the shortage of Imperial awards...but regardless of that, i think it it a great little ribbon bar. If it could that would be the icing on the cake for me.

Combination of awards:

Iron Cross 2nd Class

War Merit Cross 2nd Class with swords

Hohenzollern House Order

Baden Orden of Zahringer Lion 2nd Class

Honor Cross 1914-1918

Austrian Commemorative Medal 1914-1918

Army Long service eagle gold 25 Years of service

Army Long service eagle gold 12 Years of service

Hungarian Commemorative Medal 1914-1918

Bulgarian Commemorative Medal 1914-1918

As always i am appreciative of any information given and all comments are welcome. My analysis may be way off. And to those who help never be afraid to let me know if i can ever help them in any way.

My best

Matt

Would really need better pictures but the SS Device looks fake and the catch on the reverse looks brass. Like i say, better pictures will reveal all.

I hope you didn't pay any more than £10 for this one.....

Matt

This one is stinky for me too:

http://cgi.ebay.de/kleine-Ordensspange-2-Ehrennadeln-/180514875995?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Militaria&hash=item2a07866a5b

sloppy stitching, off-centered and different swords, too-new looking... what do you think?

Regards, Valter

It looks ok to me. I have seen ribbon bars with 2 different type sword devices. Perhaps the camera flash caught the swords making them look "new"? In any event i think it looks good.

Matt

Now repaired:

Ebertz

Regards, Komtur.

Sorry Komtur, i had forgotten that this one was posted before.

A great medal bar!!

Best regards

Matt

Here is how it should look- Knight's Cross 1st Class courtesy of http://www.medals.org.uk/saxony/saxony001.htm

Matt

Gentlemen,

Whilst browsing the internet last evening i came across this picture of a medal bar. Very eye catching (and a nice Hansa cross on there too... ) but take a closer look at the Saxon Albrecht Order....

Was this particular part of theses orders a separate part and has fallen off?

There seems to be a black dot or perhpas it is a hole where the bust of Albert used to be.

A very impressive medal bar otherwise.

Matt

Here is one i found while browsing the internet. Owner is designated on the picture.

Kind regards

Matt