M Hunter

I like the mounting style on this bar! But what are the "pins" going through the Honor Cross and Hungarian Commemorative ribbons? Hard to tell from the pictures but i am assuming someone has stuck these through the ribbons? Maybe they are commemorative pins that are worn on a suit etc?

Matt

I for one find some parts of her listing quite arrogant!! And the price.... A shame this beauty will now be destroyed in just 6 days time when this auction ends because no-one in their right mind would pay that much for a bar in that condition...i know i wouldn't and couldn't!

Christophe, i am with you...a boycott is just the thing!

Matt

What appears to be "soft" details on the Prague bar makes me wary of it's authenticity (to me it looks cast), but others may differ. Price... $10-$20 each?

Hi Scott,

You see i too thought something was a-miss with the prague bar then Rick said it was ok as you can see from his comment above. Though in-hand it looks different from the photos.

Thanks for the price range, seems fair to me.

Kind regards

Matt

Another

Some close-ups

And the reverse!

Gentlemen,

What do you make of my little bar? I have never seen this kind of combination before with Prussian Crown Order Medal and Mecklenburg-Schwerin Merit Medal. Maybe rare? Regardless, it is my first time encountering both. I like the look of it. Passes the black-light test and all materials look and feel pre-1945. This is a very well made and tightly constructed medal bar.

Would these 2 awards have been awarded pre-1914? Would the owner have been a civil servant of some kind before the Great War? Obviously later a long serving Police Officer. Any help working out what kind of uniformed chap wore this would be greatly appreciated.

All opinions welcome!

My best

Matt

Gents,

I have been approached by a fellow member asking me to sell these 2 ribbon bars. Can someone please direct me on a fair price?

Thank you

Matt

EDIT: Both have been black-lighted and do not glow.

Interesting...anyone else notice that the caption is written in english. Did he have an english-speaking fan that collected his photograph?

Very well spotted Claudius! It could be a possibility!

Matt

Matt, if it were it came on another ribbon. This is a typical bravery/war merit award, that should be way more left on the bar. Still, stranger things happened.

Saschaw, your comment has prompted me to look in my ribbon book (Medal Ribbons and Orders of Imperial Germany and Austria) and i do not see a non-combatant ribbon for Schwarzburg....just cross of honour, medal of honour and medal of honor for war merit.

It is hard to tell from the picture but maybe these medals are on hooks making it easy to remove them and maybe they got put back in the wrong place? Clutching at straws here but a possibility?

I then looked at Claudius' first post and see he mentions Schwarzburg-Rudolstadt....so further down my page i look and i see a similar ribbon...medal of merit for long service (1853)...but with the blue ribbon representing the long service award from Prussia, this option is out also?

My best

Matt

I would say the last medal on the bar was awarded as a non-combatant order...just noticed this from looking at the ribbon bar...one ribbon has swords, the other one does not.

Matt

@ TacHel: just a preview... the ribbon bar.

What an astounding ribbon bar!!

Great grouping of items Claudio!

Matt

The bar is a 1930's style. It probably originally had a 1914 EK and a Hindenburg Cross.

My first thought also.

Matt

A great find! I it!

Kind regards

Matt

The cloth back of the bar-how was it attached? Is it cloth?

It seems to be sewn down, can make out the threads from the picture. This bar was a potential purchase, but in the end i decided to give it a miss.

Thanks to all for the help.

Matt

Hi Matt,

the simple reason is, that the Waldeck WAR TIME ribbon is white in the middle and only the CIVIL version is yellow.

Here you can see an example from my collection.

It belongs to Major Werner von Buttlar. He got the civil 4. class (yellow ribbon) before the war and the same with swords (white ribbon) in WW-1.

So whenever you see such a yellow middle ribbon WITH SWORDS it can only be from Reuss!

greetings

eitze

Thank you Eitze....and thanks for posting this ribbon bar, very nice indeed!

Matt

The 12 Year Medal should come BEFORE the 4 Year Medal.....have never seen a Wehrmacht bar with a Police Medal before...but i guess it could be possible if the chap was in the Police before he joined the Wehrmacht. The construction of the bar looks ok to me.

Are the Wehrmacht Service Medals and Eagles magnetic?

Kind regards

Matt

My thanks to SPM and a special thank you to Deruelle!

Kind regards

Matt

Hi Matt,

In the entire Saxon Army, only one unit has got connexion with Reuss Principality of Reuss : the JB Nr. 13. For that we have to see if units has a Chef and who is he. For the Reuss, the unit is JB Nr. 13.

For example, if one Saxon officer received the Saxe Weimar knight cross of White Falcon, the probability he is from the Karabiner Regiment is high, like the Great Duke of Saxe Weimar was the Chef of that unit.

For your info, here is a photo of Freiherr von Uslar Gleichen, from JB Nr. 13. Note that he wore the Reuss 1st class cross with X.

Regards

Christophe

Ah i see... Amazing, so it would be a case of finding out where the Officers of JB Nr. 13 went to after the First World War? Maybe some decided to put on some sort of TR uniform?

My chap played some role in the Second War as he received the KVK2X...but again who knows what sort of role. From different threads i have read and a lot of information written by Rick R i am going to hazard a guess that this chap was either a member of the Party in some shape or form, or some sort of Civilian capacity, but was brave (hence the Swords on the KVK). The lack of a Long service award has brought me to this conclusion. I may be wrong and totally away off on my own here, so please let me hear your thoughts.

It has turned out to be a very interesting little bar indeed!

My best

Matt

any ideas?

Timo,

It would be my opinion that the second ribbon is the Hohenzollern House Order. The ribbon bar looks good, aged etc. If i see a device anywhere i will certainly let you know.

Kind regards

Matt

Hi Matt,

Nice ribbon bar you have. Your man is from the Jäger Bataillon Nr. 13 (Heinrich XXVII from Reuss was Chef of that unit).

Regards

Christophe

Christophe,

Thank you for this information. Can you please explain how you tracked this chap down to that Battalion?

Is an ID possible?

Thanks

Matt

Hello again Matt:

After 1915, Reuss used a ribbon identical to that of the Waldeck Merit Cross for all of their Honor Cross combat (with swords) awards. Since your ribbon has a gilded swords device, this would be a 2nd Class award with swords or a gold merit medal with swords. Since this fellow was most-likely an Officer per his Saxon awards, a 2nd Class with swords is probable. It is also possible however that he received the gold merit medal with swords and was then granted a temporary field promotion (i.e.: Leutnant d. Reserve) during the war. Unfortunately, there are no known award rolls for Reuss awards for WWI.

Congratulations and best regards,

"SPM"

Thank you SPM. Very informative!

I am still interested to know how this ribbon is most likely Reuss and not Waldeck. Was the Waldeck award very rare?

Matt

Hello Matt:

This is a nice "soft" ribbon bar for an Officer. The yellow, red, and black ribbon could be for the Waldeck Honor Cross (not for a "civilian award" though as there are swords present), but it is more likely for Reuss Honor Cross. Are the swords silver-plated or gilded?

Best regards,

"SPM"

Hi SPM,

The swords are guilded. I had initially thought Reuss myself...but then after looking in my book saw no such ribbon under the Reuss section...so thought Waldeck. How were the two differentiated? Perhaps by the colour of the swords?

Thanks

Matt

Reverse

Gentlemen,

This little bar landed with me the other day. Passes the black-light test and devices all look good in my opinion.

What say you chaps?

Just looking through my copy of Medal Ribbons and Orders by D.G. Neville and i find it interesting to note that the Waldeck ribbon is the "Order of Civil Merit"...but with swords? How so?

EDIT: Perhaps i have identified it wong and it is the Waldeck Cross of Honour (1899)?

Kind regards

Matt