M Hunter

Hi all, would anyone have a list of all of Greisers decorations?

Thanks in advance

Regards

Alex K

Hi Alex,

What was his rank? Was he in the SS?

Matt

And the reverse.

Close-up of SS Devices

Gents,

What say you on these SS devices?

I have never seeen a bar where they have been sewn down like this. Are they good ones?

Not so sure about the EK Spange either...

Thanking you in advance

Matt

Hi

Thanks for all the replys.

I think its fair to say that the group has been out together at some time.

From the looks of it all the medals are genuine (fingers crossed).

Can anyone give an opinion on them?

Thanks, Dan

Dan,

The medals all look fine to me.

Is that Iron Crossmagnetic and made in 3-parts? The 4 Year service medal and eagle magnetic?

Matt

Also, look at the aging on the medals, and there are the ribbons which from the photos look like new....

Hope you didn't pay too much for this medal bar!

No pin on reverse, medals misplaced, fresh ribbons with aged medals.....

Hopefully some of the experts will be able to clarify if it's good or bad, but this i just my opinion from what i see.

Matt

Hi.

Yes the Russian Front medal should be in 3rd place...also a 4 Year Wehrmacht Long Service medal would be more appropriate on this bar, and i do see a hole in the blue ribbon where the eagle may have been.

Kind regards

Matt

I would just like to say; Great Bars Timo!

Matt

Congrats on the new additions! the finnish bar!

Best

Matt

But it is NOT "cannot be proven by just what we have from rank and award lists"

rather it is nothing can be proven WITHOUT such documentation. (and photos and Urkunden and...)

Anybody has to be able to get the same hard data results from the same sources, just like a scientific experiment.

For instance--I have a miniature 1866 Campaign Cross that belonged to the grandfather of an SS officer, who made a small gift of it. I "know" its attribution but there is absolutely no "proof" of it-- only this "story."

Research Cyborgs find that proof. Trust and certainty are not enough. To pass items along from one collection to another, into the future, the attribution has to be correct and always verifiable.

It's simpler for people who don't care about the wearer, only the bright shiny THING, but for those of us who would rather know that something belonged to This Specific Individual person, getting that right is essential.

Why else would I be awake at 3 AM worrying about Luke's maddeningly unidentified Old Style ribbon bar? It's not MY ribbon bar. Nobody could even begin to pay me for my "billable hours." When one of us finally finds the guy, he'll probably turn out to be some utter nobody who dropped dead as an Oberstleutnant in 190X. But that doesn't matter!!! I just have to--HAVE TO-- get it RIGHT. That's what happens to Research Cyborgs.

Thank you Rick. I see what you are saying. Without him being listed in the rank-list, and without documentation, there is no real proof that this bar is belonging to the Marine Werksführer.

On another note and as a point of interest for myself who is not very fluent in German, what is a Marine Werksführer?

Thank you

Matt

Gentlemen,

I was over on WAF recently and spotted this little ribbon bar for sale, by Noor.

After a search here on GMIC i see it has never been posted, therefore never discussed. (?)

It was my intention to purchase the bar, but after doing some reading here (especially on Rick's Research thread) i have come to the question; what is the providence that this was Marine Werksführer Carl Noeske's ribbon bar?

The awards are common to say the least, but does this make the combination common? I would appreciate any help or information on this ribbon bar! Did anyone here make the initial identification?

My thanks

Matt

P.S. I have sent a message to Noor, so i hope he can join in on this discussion. ;)

Was it when they were awarding these?

Well spotted Don......i hope he has this listed as a replacement case!

Matt

Thanks for the input Gents! I'll stay clear of this guy!!

Best regards

Matt

Thanks Gents!

The seller is also selling this.....which i really do not like the look of...

Best

Matt

Gents,

What is your opinion on this medal bar? Looks very clean to me....

What is the 7th Medal?

Thanks

Matt

The pairing of a Merit Award for the Eastern People (i.e. the award without swords) with the KVKII would be correct for a non-German. However, I think for this bar I'd tend more towards the Hungarian Merit award which isn't that uncommon for Germans with few other awards. I can think of examples I've seen on medal bars for a Luftwaffe Officer and another for a member of the Polizei who had also served in the Wehrmacht. Neither had particluarly long service (or long medal bars).

James,

From the 3 foreign awards i listed above the Hungarian one makes the most sense to me...i too have seen bars with the Hungarian Ribbon.....to SS Officers and others.

Matt

If it was an Ostvölker medal would it not be represented with SWORDS?

Found this picture (courtesy of Weitze.net)

Thanks

Matt

Yup, that's the one!

Per Gert Efler's 1988 "Deutsche Feuerwehr-Ehrenzeichen 1802-jetzt" there wer three different awards that all used this same ribbon--

1) For Merit, with inscription to that effect on the obverse, awarded 1924-34 on this ribbon for firemen (civilians decorated for merit or valour during a fire had another ribbon, mainly white but not illustrated or clearly described) Extraordinarily rare.

2) for 25 years service, inscription to that effect on the obverse of the silver medal, 1930-34

3) for 40 years service, inscription to that effect on the gold medal.

I can count on 2 hands the number of bars I've seen with this award.

Many thanks Rick! Had no idea i had such a rare little beauty! When i bought it i thought it was just an EK2 Ribbon! It has been a good day for me regarding ribbon bars!!

Best regards

Matt

Forgot to add the picture....for some reason when i go to edit a post it will not let me do a "full edit"...

Anyway...here we go.

Ok....found this picture by doing a Google search. It is of a 25 Year service Fire award....Saschaw, you could be right....

Anyone else like to jump in?

Thanks

Matt

P.S. Any more information on these Fire Awards would be much appreciated....for example was there only one class, for 25 years service?

Maybe we have an faster idee seing the whole bar.

That far: neither EK nor HOH...

I was too fast... still it's neither of the mentioned. There's a Prussian fire fighter's award with a similar ribbon, isn't it?

What did the Prussian Firefighter's ribbon look like?

We have so far Non-Combatant Honor Cross, Prussian Red Cross 2nd/3rd Class & ???..........so maybe it is some sort of Prussian award?

Thanks

Matt

And the reverse! (sorry about camera flash... )

Thanks

Matt

Here is the bar in it's entirety.

Matt

Another little bar i got recently....but what is the last ribbon? Some kind of Veteran's award? If so, what?

I, at first glance thought this was a EK2 ribbon, but upon closer inspection it definately is not.

There is the following colour order:-

Thin black, white, thin black, white stripes, one big black stripe down the middle and then the same again on other side of large black stripe.

My second thought (after the EK2)was this ribbon, the Hausorden von Hohenzollern - Ritterkreuz und Inhaberkreuz OR Fürstlich Hohenzollernscher Hausorden - Ehrenkreuz 2. or 3. Klasse but it doesn't quite match up with this either.

Hoping the experts will know and put me out of my misery!

Thanks

Matt

Thank you Gents! The WW2 Ostvölker medal did cross my mind, but like Rick i thought it was not awarded to Germans.....anywhere where i can look/read to clarify this?

Thanks

Matt