Eric Gaumann

Thanks for sharing.  A relatively rare document.

Wow!  Super envious.   Are these any larger than the 2c and 3c awards?  Would love to see a side by side image or three.

If you decide to try it contact "Ferdinand" on this forum.  He's a recommended researcher.  He's also a neighbor of yours (Holland) if I recall correctly.

Another nice one.  Early 1944 award most likely.  An original suspension and ribbon shouldn't be too hard to find nor very expensive if you're thinking about restoring it.

BTW, in case you didn't know most Soviet awards that have a serial number can be researched by that number which reveals the soldier who won the award and usually the reasons for the award.

Didn't have any luck finding that in my very limited Russia awards library.

16 hours ago, Stuka f said:

Hello, thanks.

I do need some help, completely out of my comfort zone!

Happy to help.  Top row, L-R: common, 1980s cap badge.  Labor medal, silver, early medals had a serial number, most did not.  Bravery medal, silver, many had a serial number (3+ million).

Bottom row: Order of Glory, 3rd class, silver, probable original suspension and ribbon, serial number dates it to early to mid 1945, nice one!  Combat Service medal, silver, probable original suspension, serial number dates this to late '44/early '45, possible Long Service award, 'shovel tongue' variation.  Motherhood medal, 1st class.

Nice.  Not an expert on George Crosses but I think this is a good, private purchase GK3. Possibly produced by Dmitry Kuchkin factory.

The militia cross has a Soviet screwplate on it.

Very nice.  Can I see more images of the militia badge and the George Cross sil vous plait?

Nice score, the Order of Glory especially.  Do you need any help with them?  What's the reverses look like?

Yeah, that's a nice, earlier piece as BK said.  I'd own it and let it develop a nice patina.

5 hours ago, toot said:

are EK2'S FIELD ISSUED AS KNIGHT CROSSES CONSIDERED AS KNIGHT CROSSES?

They weren't issued as such.  They were just placeholders worn until the real award was presented.  The wearer was treated (I assume) as a real RKT.  Are they considered RKs now? No, although it's debatable.  If one could find such an example (EK2 as RK) with 100% undeniable proof of it's authenticity then you could own/display/sell it as an 'EK2 worn as a RK'.  But it's still not a RK.

You could show them here.  We have some experienced collectors here.  http://mondvor.narod.ru/index.htm is a great online reference site.

I have access to the site you reference as well.

4 hours ago, Kallarati Heroik said:

Do not clean your orders and medals.

More patina means more value.

And if you want to clean them, use only your fingers with Colgate.

Toothbrush leaves scratches on the piece.

Salut.

The tooth cleaning paste has more abrasives in it that the soft nylon bristles of a worn tooth brush does.

Although as a coin collector I will agree that any cleaning, other than acetone dips, is a big no-no.

> I got the books. Unfortunately i could just narrow down a possible date. But its nice to have a list for all those numbers.

Yeah, I got the same unhappy notice on my two GC4s.  What date area did you end up with?  Just a wild guess; 1915/'16?  BTW, the 'Soviets' sent batches of serial numbered awards out to different units at different times and I think they followed what the Imperial Russians did.  So if you find your number close to a few others they might been in the same brigade or regiment (more doubtful) or in the same division or corps (more likely).

On 19/09/2019 at 08:16, Uffz. Rohleder said:

Thank you very much. 

 

Is there anyone i can contact to find out recipient of the cross? 

There is a book, printed in Russian language of course, that lists the recipients of the George Crosses by serial number.  It's a bit hard to find and probably expensive.  But, some who own the book will help with names, units and dates if you find the thread on the right Russian militaria forum.  Oh, and a lot of the information is lost so don't expect too much.

Thanks!  I am trying to find digital images of partisan related documentation to use as a background for an awards display.  Thanks for your help, comrade.

Is this an award document for a Partisan Spomenica or is it something else?

Slightly off-topic but I finally got around to framing my documented group of two OMMs and 2 OPAs.

Don't worry, no original documents were harmed in making this display; I used photocopies.

19 hours ago, Utgardloki said:

I would definitely go for  copy, even if the money would be no problem, cause this is not the right place to store such a rare  and delicate piece. The changing temperature and maybe humidity and sunlight would for sure have an impact  on it over the years.

I agree about conditions.  But I'd be more concerned about the possibility of theft.  I hope these displays are kept in a very safe place.  Very nice work done by OP!

Interesting to note in that 3rd image showing where the (mostly) 20th Century General's collar tabs evolved from.  Never knew that.

My two for comparison's sake:

5 minutes ago, paul wood said:

Documents can be faked without an ultra violet light it  is impossible to tell whether or not an alteration has been made.

Yes.  And first thing I'd do is check the name on the doc with the entry in Podvignaroda.  If that doesn't match then I'd be mostly sure of some skullduggery going on.

Also, it depends on the seller.  Some are a lot better than others.

Here's a few interesting images from ebay showing different 1c(?) 5 torch versions.

First (1 image); one with the early style pin & catch but without a serial number and without evidence of a screwpost!

Second (3 images), one with the screwpost and 1k number, an early IKOM screwplate but without the gilding on the wreath!

Third (1 image); early pin, sub-2k number, unfilled hole for screwpost, and no maker or content marks! edit: evidence of screwpost removal, and possible maker mark (hard to tell, to the left of the screwpost hole.)

Fourth (2 images), two different items; both with gilded wreath, screwpost with later style screwplate, with maker and content marks but without serial numbers!

Hope I got the images in order!

5 hours ago, BalkanCollector said:

Nice addition Eric!

Thanks!  The pin 'keeper/holder' thing is not very effective.  It slides open easily, and by the looks of it it must have taken time and a few extra steps to manufacture and attach to the award body.  Not surprised we see so few of these models.  And that's the reason I got this one, despite the fact I almost always prefer the original screwpost models.

Have you seen any other versions of the reverse of this award beside the screwpost,  pin with slide closure (this version), and the rotary pin closure system?

Gentlemen and ladies; I finally got my OoB&U 1c recently and am posting here.  There are two other threads for this award:

Thread 1: 

Thread 2: 

I don't think we have a classification of this grade yet so I call this model (with horizontal double pin and old style catch) a Type 2.  Type 1 has the original screwpost and screwplate (perhaps different plates) while the T3 has the double horizontal pin with the later type catch.  Was there ever issued a vertical pin, like on the Merit to the People orders?

Here are some images of the attachment system.

And here are the full obverse and reverse shots.  It's hard to see but the reverse is very 'shinney' despite the patina.