Vic Diehl

side view--another terrible pic.

Rick: Thanks for your input, I did not even know this maker. Here are couple more shots from the seller

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H. Schaper marked on pin. Is this a know maker? Is this a real badge?

Interesting pic for sure. Thanks for taking time to post.

Chris, Thanks!! Vic

Gentlemen: We really appreciate your support on this project. We would like copies of anything directly related to this study. We also would appreciate any leads to you can give us on uniforms, daggers, pins, etc. This is a long term project for us. It is really interesting to me to discover that the first dress dagger worn by a member of the German Heer happened in World War I. We have learned so much from this project. Vic

Thanks for your comments. Chip, thanks for your idea about the pics. One problem we ran into working from the US and Germany was the electronic transfer back and forth of pics. Large pics is definitely something we like. Vic

http://www.kaiserlicherautomobilclub.de/ Just wanted to introduce our new website to interested members. This has been a year in the works, but worth every hour. The majority of this information is new and comes form our research in the German Archives using original, primary source documents. Enjoy! Vic Diehl

This is certainly a very interesting naval dirk, with typical "sailor" scrimshaw decoration and of the mid 19th century. The military of many nations contained readily identified units, brigades, squadrons staffed in a least part by foreign nationals. Did the British navy contain an identified Hannoverian group?

Dan, I appreciate your input on this. What you say makes sense for many of these guys. What about these guys with long careers as flyers, were they still attached to some other unit. Is there any book that has a copy of regulations that would explain this wearing of sidearms. thanks for you efforts on my behalf. Vic

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Does anyone have any regulations they can cite about what sidearms German Heer pilots could wear during the first World War. We see them wearing IOD 89s, hirschfangers, and a host of bayonets with an assortment of knots. Was everythingthing allowed? The Marine Flieger wore the navy dagger as all other navy officers. Any help on this sidearm question is really appreciated

A thank you and a plug to Tom Brendt's magazine for publishing our research. After 23 years of digging I think we have most of it covered.

Just wanting to echo my co-authors plea for assistance. Other collectors directing data our way was much of the basis for our writing the major study on the Automobile Corps Dagger. I believe the readers will find this to be a fascinating study, with much information that has been nearly forgotten after 100 years. Of course, as my friend states we are pursung the Aero Club organization, especially their daggers, so any information will be valuable to us. We are putting all of this together for collectors and for the price of a magazine subscription you will have access to what has been 20 years of research for me. Having a native German working on this project gives a feeling of genuiness to me as early documents and manuscripts are immediately understood. It is also important to know that my co-author is a profound student of German history with much to offer the collecting world. He also has access to the major museums and document centers that are opening their doors to our research. There will be many other areas that will be of interest to us in the future, but right now we really need your help with Aero Club documenation, photos and material. This stuff is so rare, as I said before, we want to hear from you no matter how small you may think your contribution may be. For us it may unlock a major door. Vic

Keith: I appreciate your sincere response. At this stage of research all information is welcome and to be considered. We continue to look at shipping companies as well as harbor pilots, and training schools both for private and municipal as well as regional based corporations and operations. Thanks again,

Superior research and well told tale--Great Job, Rick

Daniel, I do not own the weapon. I was just asked about the cyphers. As soon as I get permisson I will post. I am sure you understand. Vic

Gentlemen, Will you please help me with these royal ciphers? The middle one looks like Otto of Bavaria but the others I am not sure.

Here is the central scabbard fitting, again with a type X skull for your future reference.

Tang stamp of this early production Type X, SS 1936. Reverse numbers ?? Crossguards are P. A. stamped

His picture in Army Uniform from his records

Metz Bio for those interested-- Biography of SS Obersturmfuhrer Dr. Emil Metz Emil Metz was born October 6, 1906 in Ludwigshaften to Jakob Metz and Auguste Wilhelmine Louise Brubach. He attended public school and then Gymnasium where he studied medicine. Metz attended the Universities of Wien, Wuerzburg and Freiburg and passed his final examinations in 1930 with a ?Sehr Gut? or excellent grade average. As a doctor of Internal Medicine, he worked at clinics and hospitals in Magdeburg and Hamburg. As of the 15th of January 1936 he was Chief Doctor as head of the children?s ward at city hospital in Mannheim. He retained this position until 1941. Metz joined the Allgemeine SS in 1933. He was the perfect physical specimen. He was 5ft. 10 in. tall, of athletic build, with blonde hair and blue eyes, His SS number was 94695. He first appears as an Untersturmfuhrer on the Dienstalterliste of December 1936 as assigned to Sanitats-Abteilung/SS-Oa. ?Sudwest? headquartered in Stuttgart. This assignment lasted until 1.10 1937. Metz was then assigned as Fuhrer des Sanitats-Sturmes/SS-Abschnitt XXXIV/SS-Oa. ?Westmark? headquartered at Saarbrucken, from 1.10. 1937 to 1.5.1941. Metz obtained the rank of Obersturmfuhrer SS on 30.1.1939. As of 1.5. 1941 Metz was assigned to Sanitats Oberstaffel/Standarte 32/SS-Oa. ?Rhein? headquartered in Heidelberg. Dr. Metz?s parti number of 5 257 255 does not appear until 1941. Dr. Metz was a member of Lebensborn as of 1937. Dr. Emil Metz received the following awards: Fuhrerschein 1st Class and Reichssportsabzeichen 3rd Class. From 1937-1939 Metz voluntered in the Army Reserve-Lazarett as an assistant Doctor stationed at Bad Neuenahr. He also served on the Bureau of Public Health and the Acceptance Board for War Veterans in Baden. As of March 1941 Dr. Metz returned to Heer duty as an assistant Doctor with Reserve-Lazarett in Bad Neuenahr. He also received permission from the Race and Seidlung Hauptamt = SS to marry Milli Andreae of Mannheim, his secretary. A through search of records after 1941 does no provide any additional information.