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    paja

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    1. Greetings,
      Machine for production of medals and dies were ordered from Naples. They arrived to Cetinje in June 1841. and the production began same month. First ribbon that was used was red, blue and white. White one with red stripes on edges came to use somewhere between 1889 and 1897, most probably in 1895 when Medal of Zeal with same ribbon was introduced. There are also authors who think the change came in 1910.

      Information found in "Montenegrin decorations" by Milan Jovićević.

    2. Well that is just amazing! She had more decorations than many officers. Interesting to see she also had Serbian miniatures, they are pretty rare and harder to find than full size orders.
      Thanks for photos! We can see that apart from White Eagle with swords she was also awarded with St. Sava, looks like 4th class (Bertrand), Albanian Retreat Medal and Serbian Order of the Red Cross (that's the one next to the Legion of Honor on 3rd photo in your previous reply). 
      Some time ago I found lists of British recipients of Serbian decorations on I think National Archives website. Copies are not very good but perhaps you can find her name there.
      Feel free to post her full story, of course it's allowed, I'm looking forward to that!

    3. You are welcome.
      Markus showed us Bertrand's 4th class with swords here: http://gmic.co.uk/forums/topic/48267-serbia-order-of-the-white-eagle-with-swords/#comment-450044
      There you can see how the box looks like. Notice the crossed swords on the lid. Box for "regular" White Eagle is without swords and that's the only difference between them.

      I forgot to mention, it's really unusual and interesting to see nurse being awarded with White Eagle with swords. Medical personal were usually awarded with Red Cross decorations, St. Sava and Charity Cross. 

    4. Greetings and welcome to GMIC,

      I believe that you are right, box is for Order of the Star of Karađorđe with swords. Boxes for White Eagle Order are white. But you should know that "red" boxes are far more rare and thus more expensive. If it was up to me I'd keep it and try to find "white box".
      Order looks like 4th class but I am not sure, only difference between 4th and 5th class is that 4th is gilded.
      Also your White Eagle is made by Bertrand.

    5. St. George Medal topic Igor started reminded me of something. To be more precise question about Austrian made orders awarded during Balkan Wars/WW1.
      Couple of years ago I posted photos of Karađorđe Star & White Eagle both with swords. They were inherited by a relative, his grandfather was the recipient.
      I'll once again post photos of the White Eagle, take a closer look at it!
      I'm pretty sure it's Scheid's piece with added swords! Unfortunately I don't have more images, the order is framed... Notice the crudeness of the swords. There's no doubt in my mind that everything is authentic considering it was kept in family. The order was awarded in 1915 for "courage proven on the battlefield in war against Austria-Hungary"! So he was awarded with Austrian made order for courage against Austria...
      I am posting it in this topic because I've never seen anything like that before, there are some Rothe examples in Car's book but not one made by GAS.
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    6. Certainly a possibility but in my opinion not likely. I think Austrian makers were still producing decorations for Kingdom of Serbia during Balkan wars. Take for example Karađorđe Star with Swords, it was first awarded during Balkan Wars and there are examples made by Scheid. Of course big question here is when were they ordered from the producer.

    7. Don't mention it Paul, I didn't know you can read Serbian.
      There's also nothing on the medal in Decorations of the people of Yugoslavia in 19th and in first half of the 20th century (until 1941) from the Collection of the Military Museum in Belgrade by Mila Piletić nor Decorations of Serbia, Montenegro, Yugoslavia and Republic of Srpska by Dušanka Maričić.

    8. It's a bit hard to translate but it goes something like this "Saint George be still for Serb example of defender of justice and truth" (Свети Ђорђе буди Србу и даље углед браниоца правде и истине).

      About the medal itself, unfortunately I never managed to discover who made it and to whom it was awarded. It's obviously related to First Balkan War. Scene on the reverse is very similar to the one seen on the back side of Medal of the Red Cross. Maybe because of that I always suspected it had something to do with that organization.

    9. There is a sunburst type but there are badges with the same "pattern" underneath the enamel as on typical NCO/soldier type.
      When you look at the one everyone thinks is fake the pattern is completely "flat". First one GC posted, on blue cloth, also seems to be that way. I myself am far from expert on this matter so I can't say anything for sure especially when it comes to the one on red cloth... I saw couple of very similar badges before, at that time I thought they are original.

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