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Hi Dan,

Since post war times Orders have always been awarded for long service. Lets face it, not all the much combat was going on after that and yet Orders of Lenin, Orders of the Red Banner and Orders of the Red Star amongst others were still issued in large numbers some of which as long service awards. I reckon there should be some logical progression from long service medal onto orders although this would be largely contingent on a) the number of years of service and b) the rank held by the person in question.

At least this is my understanding of the system. Mebbe some of our research guys have more ammo on this topic......

Jim

Hi Jim,

See what you're saying. I guess it struck me when I was re-re-re-re reading the red bible. It was talking about how these were created in order to put a stop to Orders being awarded simply for long service... such things as Red Stars, Red Banners and Lenins... which tended to devalue such awards.

But it seems that there would have been many individuals with careers that went beyond 20 years of service. So either they would at that point have to fall back on higher Orders again for anything over 20 years or there had to be another solution.

No idea why it didn't strike me before this... guess it just had to hit me at the right moment for the old light bulb to come on. Nothing earth shaking but seemed a good topic for discussion if nothing else.

Thanks,

Dna

Hi Coastie,

I've got to say I really love those pins. The colors are great. They remind me of some of the older Japanese tin toys from back in the 50's and 60's. Hope you can find out more about them.

Dan

I also have a pair of Luft collar tabs that I thought had basically bit the dust. Any chance they could be saved? One of them my mom attempted to repair but it came apart and one of the gulls unraveled.

Anyhow hope you don't mind me asking although I'm still fairly sure that at least the one is still a hopeless case. Just couldn't resist when I saw the great restoration work you had done.

Thanks,

Dan

Geez! That's fabulous! Whoever did it is a real artist. I only wish I'd known about this years ago as I had a very nice Legion Condor cuff title that sadly had a mothed area at the end of the title around some of the letters. Ended up trading it off ages ago as I thought it was a fairly hopeless case.

Hi Gents,

As one who collects Umalatova awards this is one I'd sure love to obtain one day. Beautiful! Seems the vast majority of what we see are medals and not the older enameled awards. And being partial to OOR's I really love this one. And to have it complete with it's document... well, here's hoping I can manage to find one as complete as this one some day.

Dan

Hi Vic,

Congratulations on a great piece with terrific research. And how I envy you in having his pic wearing the award (along with the rest he was awarded). This has been a long time dream for me which I hope comes true some day.

So happy for you my friend. Hope all your research is a good or even better than this one!

Dan

Hi Chris,

Nice piece. Just out of curiosity... did they use any type of insignia on these or were they just plain as you've shown? I'm mostly familiar with those used by the Germans in WWII so there's alot of don't know about these. But I've always liked piths.

Thanks for sharing this one. Hope perhaps you can find more on the original owner.

Dan

Hi all,

Had a thought... what was the plan in the case of the 10, 15 and 20 year Long Service medals... if one served for say 25, 30, 35 or 40 years? Didn't know if they had a plan for this or what.

Don't know why it hit me but figured I'd ask in the hope that someone else knows.

Thanks,

Dan

Well, I've never had a cloth one... but this bullion one was woven on cloth... does it count? ;>)

Hi Rick,

"Nice" piece! Can you show a shot of the back if there's anything of interest there?

I'm beginning to not feel quote so alone as I've been with mine all these years. Now if only someone can find a pic or pics of these being worn during the period... that would be fantastic!

Thanks for sharing!

Happy New Year!

Dan

Hi Doc,

Beautiful pieces and they look great displayed that way. On the lack of wall space... that's why God allows us to build additions on our houses!

Happy New Year!

Dan

Hi RaZpuTiN,

Welcome to the club!

Shame about it being crushed like that. I wonder if it's possible to get it restored? It's a nice piece and the first I've ever seen.

Dan

I agree with Doc... I've got one of the military versions but this one really is nice. I'll have to start keeping my eye out for one down the road.

Dan

Display? Display! Ha ha ha ha ha ha.

I wish!

The "display" in front of me just now.

Hi Ed,

Nick and I are stuck in a hotel in Devils Lake ND, about an hour from home in the middle of a snow storm with Kim holding down the fort back home. Hoping against hope we'll be able to get back home tomorrow. Been one of those days. But I've got to say... this was just the thing to get my morale back up. Was nearly on the floor laughing! I agree with Rick... a candy dish I wouldn't mind digging into for some special treats!

Here's hoping your "negotiations" go well and you end up with some nice displays in the not too distant future.

In my case I started out with a fairly decent den/display room when Kim and I first got married... then a bigger one when we moved to North Florida but then got downsized considerably when Nick was born. Collection then increased with little if any room to expand. Now I have nearly the entire basement at our home up here but until I can get the floor redone (some heaving and cracking... not uncommon here) I can't do too much in the way of getting things the way I want them to properly display what I have. But over time I hope to get it all done and have a nice den/museum area down there along with a home theater which has been another life long dream of mine.

Anyhow thanks for lifting my spirits. Love your goodies! Here's hoping you're able to keep adding to the pile.

Happy New Year!

Dan

The pilot's badge look real to me. I like the detail of the badge. I have read that the Germans had EKIs, pilot and observer badges in cloth. I've seen only a few pilot badges in cloth and all have been different. I would think most cloth badges would have a certain level of variation being hand made and made by different makers.

Hi Charles,

Many thanks for the comments. If you happen to run across any pics of other such badges please pop them on as I've only seen on other one which at least in my mind didn't have the quality of mine. I'm thinking perhaps it was an NCO's or simply a lower priced version as I have a feeling these would have been custom private purchase items.

Really like you avatar. I've always been into Von Richtofen and his red Tripe.

Welcome to the club.

Dan

Dan, that is a very interesting cloth Fliegerabzeichen.

If Mr. Zeiger indeed had the badge for sale it could have only been between 1914 and 1918 since after the war Metz became french again until 1940.

During the German occupation (1940 to 1944) the currency would have been RM = Reichsmark and not M = Mark.

Based on the circumstantial evidence I say the cloth badge is a period item from 14/18.

from: Wikipedia

By the Treaty of Frankfurt of 1871, Metz became a German city, and was made a most important garrison and a strong fortress. Despite the departure of many inhabitants who fled to France to avoid living under German rule, Metz nonetheless expanded and transformed during the period of German rule. The fortifications on the south and east were levelled in 1898, securing space for growth and development. Some large neo-Romanesque buildings typical of the German empire appeared in the city. Following the armistice with Germany ending the First World War, the French army entered Metz in November 1918 to great cheering from the population, and the city was returned to France at the Treaty of Versailles in 1919. Metz was again annexed by Germany between 1940 and 1944 during the Second World War, and was liberated in November 1944 by the French and American armies.

Regards, Hardy

Hi Hardy,

Sorry for the late reply. Been up to my ears and just now trying to catch up again. Many thanks for the great info. Every little bit helps... here's hoping that some day a picture will pop up with this badge being worn... or at least one very similar to it. I've loved this piece since the day I got it and consider it one of my all time best finds. I think it's a beautiful well made piece and in great shape especially considering it's age.

Thanks again!

Dan

Doesn't anyone have any thoughts on this? I mean, I'm prepared for it to be a jewelry or silverware box. I won't be crushed if it turns out not to be an Order case. I got it to put my Grand Cross of the Romanian Crown set into it for safe keeping and display. Works great for that. But would love to know if it's actually meant for something else... if anyone knows.

Will continue to keep my fingers crossed.

Thanks,

Dan

The double pages are too small to read.

#21 on are for LatvianYelmar Yakabovich Roshevitz, born in 1943, on call up for military service in 1963. Although checked and updated through the 1980s, I didn't see anything that showed his compulsory service.

Hi Rick,

Hoping the holidays are going well for you and yours and that Santa treated you well.

Many thanks for the help on these. I know you'd originally ID'd the female Order of Lenin holder but didn't remember that the rest of these hadn't been ID'd till today.

Let me know which post #'s I should redo (assuming pages like those showing dues paid... things like that aren't needed) and I'll be happy to do bigger shots. As I say I'd love to reconnect the history to these docs so they're not just fancy pieces of paper laying around.

No rush as I know you've got tons of other stuff you're working on. But let me know the ones to do and I'll get them done asap.

Mucho thanks!

Dan

Hi all,

Just wondered if anyone was able to give me any info on these ID's as far as names, dates... basically any info about these folks. Would be deeeeeeeply appreciated. I always love to put a story back with such things if at all possible.

Thanks,

Dan

Hi Vic,

Beautiful! Sure hope I'm able to get one of those script "No." types some day. Best of luck with the research... hope it's a great one!

Dan

Beautiful! I love topical collections and especially those dealing with railroads. Just outstanding!

If you don't mind me asking, what is a rough range for such badges and especially the Honored Railway Workers shown in posts #5 and #25? I think that's the pick of the litter and an easy center piece for such a collection.

I'm really enjoying these as I'm sure are others in the membership and I hope more will continue to be added. I'd love to see a similar thread in the Soviet section... unless I've missed one... guess I'll pop up and do a quick search.

Great pieces one and all!

Dan

Hi all,

Great thread! I especially love Ed's in post #5. I've been very tempted to start getting into railway badges and medals. I've always loved trains and such so it would be a natural area for me to get into.

Very inspiring! Hope to see more. Thanks for sharing!

Dan

Legendary...

Another great shot! Really love that it's using a been there, done that IC and not a minty one. This one really speaks volumes. This is a picture you could just stare at forever and the stories start flooding into your brain. Excellent!

Dan

Merry Christmas

Hi Greg,

WOW! That's a great one! Beautiful!!!! If only they had those in the stores... I'd go for a few cases in a heartbeat!

Thanks for sharing that one. Hope you had a great holiday!

Dan

Hi all,

Hoping this helps:

For more details here's my original post:

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=1048...;hl=cloth+pilot

Dan

Hi all,

Hope this is okay... I'd posted this in the ID section but figured I'd give it a kick start by putting the link in here. Hoping someone might be able to ID this case for me. I need to know if it is indeed a case for an Order and if so from what country and if possible for what award?

Here's the link:

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=1373...mp;#entry133647

I'm pretty sure it would be something for folks in this section. Will keep my fingers crossed that perhaps one of our members will figure this one out.

Many thanks,

Dan