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Hello, Hessen-Darmstadt is done - until 1913. For example 8127 awards of the Allgemeinen Ehrenzeichen Tapferkeit 165 Verdienst 1532 langj. TD 1817 Treue Dienst 1377 Treue Arbeit 2468 f?r 50 Jahre 183 Rettung 393 1882 192 Werner

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...ok, let us make a Beamten-thread...

Hi, here my actual numbers all decoration am Beamtenband (Band f?r kriegsverdienste) MVK 1 365 MVK 1 x 1191 MVK 1 mKr 24 MVK 1 mKr+x 64 MVK 2 173 MVK 2 x 1652 MVK 2 mKr 468 MVK 2 mKr+x 1883 MVK 3 24 MVK 3 x 907 MVK 3 mKr 71 MVK 3 mKr+x 149 Bernd will find some wearers more... Werner

Hi Claudio, I have 1883 wearers of the BMVK 2.class am Beamtenband - 850 of them were Zahlmeister oder Unterzahlmeister...no chance Werner

Hello, reading Rick's "1870-71 War Medal Battle Bars By Units" I must start this topic. At first a bar of an SL in 1870. He was wounded in Gravelotte and so he missed the following campaign... What was his unit???? Werner

congratulations, a very beautiful group. When you ever....... who know.... Werner

Hello, here's my Stammtisch-Krieger bar...

...and here a typical bar of an Oberstleutnant. A question about it: What is the important different to other bar's with SaH 3, SaA 3a mK+x, SaV 3a x and the red eagle to find out the wearer????

Hi, here is an unnamed saxon bar - no chance to find out the wearer...

..and the same to your bar - Anhalt Friedrich cross on white ribbon...

Hi Rick, that's an interesting thread - here's my bar of FeuerwerksM Menneking. Ek 2 and Lippe Detmold on ribbon for Combatant's and the Brunswick KVK for nonombatants. Werner

...geht doch... Oh, I love this green ribbons...

Hi Sascha, I think you are right with the ribbon bars. I know some documents of von Grone, but not the document of the Friedrich August Kreuz. The bavarian cross he got in 1916, the mecklenburg war merit cross in 1917. Best regards Werner

H Rick, the sam mysterious sources as you.. He got the life saving medal in 1887 - I know some wearer. In 1898 he was a SL dR in IR 82 with LwBez Braunschweig. In the Hofhandbuch 1916 he was listed with the EK and the BrKVK. What make your listings - when can I get them???? Regards Werner

Hi Rick, don't cry.... May be the wearer of your bar is OL dLwaD Gustav Spies, Regierungsrat at the Oberversicherungsgericht in Braunschweig. He got the lefe-saving medal as a Primaner, has the Landwehrdienstauszeichnung 2. class and in 1915 the EK 2 1914 and war merit cross of Brunswick - maybe he got some more.. Werner

Hi David, the first list I have is from 1875 - I don't know former lists, only Hof- and Staatshandb?cher. There are awards pre 1870, but not complete. That's the mistake in your answer of the archives in Darmstadt, that 1898 and 1914 are not complete listings, because the people who died weren't in it. Best regards Werner

Hi David, save your money - there are some more pages than 194 and there Ordenslisten from different years. I just work on it. Best regards Werner

Hi David, I'm consider publishing and I have had good contacts to Hrn. Roth. But there are a few bad collector who copy his books because they are not willing pay the really small price. I need the lists to identify the wearers of bars - my own one and the bars of other collectors. In the Staatshandbuch 1872 were also former awards but it can be that some of them are missing. Look at my numbers of bavarian awards of the MVK - Bernd D will find some more in the original rolls. About Anhalt pre 1871 orders let us make a new thread.... Werner