Destruction

Just found this image. Brian, you probably referred to this badge speaking about "club" fake ? Because this piece of crap is taken straight from ordensammler site.

Hi Brian,

I had 2 of these plakettes and both were silvered zinc. I insist  I'm travelling right now and cant't provide pictures , here is another one from some forum. Silvered zinc with faded finish it is.

Speaking about badge in question , I will have it for hand inspection in a week. I'd say, if it's really silvered zinc, it has a chance. Let's see. 

Hi Brian,

Thanx for your comments! Honestly said I was thinking about plakette as an option as I never took these badges seriously and thought it's a fantasy item based on collar badge design.

But let's make research in full this time. First of all, as I understand the badge came with document from reliable sources, together with some photos. Second, it differs from known fakes from the "club" , here is one attached. And I think you're wrong about finish, I see the traces of silvering, same poor silvering as on plakette, by the way. Plakette is made of silvered (!) zinc so the finish is eaten by zinc as we see on 3rd Reich badges. 

One more question--do you (or anybody) have collar badge in hands? If yes, can you give me the size?

On 22/05/2012 at 00:02, Destruction said:

Yep, me too, never heard about this one as a breast badge.

Well..  It took me 6 years

Thanx, I was thinking about it, but the outer stripes are definitely white, not yellow/gold as it has to be on this cross. Also, it's 25 mm wide which is usual for old ribbons....

P.S. The ribbon was found attached to a wrong medal which is origin of Freikorps period.

Hi Gents,

Any idea which medal this ribbon belongs to ? 25 mm wide

Best!

Serg

Nope. Both are bad. It's a fantasy design based on Partisan Badge , with fake maker marks. Bercs and Mueller never used anything like that.

Moreover, the original Partisan badge by Mueller has different design.

Hi Dave,

It's a well known fake, discussed on many profile forums. It was sold in quantities some time ago while original badges are really scarce.

But what make it an evident fake is the fact that a badge with the same design exists with 2 different maker marks Pls see this and compare.

Hi Gents,

Ok, I'll try to post some pictures, hope it will help. In the following posts I will discuss only 1st class crosses.
1. The obverse picture of Rossbach cross published in July 1943 in Der Reiter gen Osten newspaper, and the cross from my collection which IMO is a perfect match to it.
Having in mind untypical set up which can be only met on some decorations produced in 20-ies, I'd say that we see here the 1st run of these crosses.

2. The obverse picture of Rossbach cross from Klietmann's book dated 1979, and the matching specimen from Hartung catalogue. Having in mind the rarity of this version , and also the set up, I'd suppose that we see the additional edition awarded in 1933.
Honestly said, that's it. I've never seen any other 1st class crosses which have any provenance. Of course we can't exclude private purchase items, but they are a question of believe and proper hand inspection

As for the cross in the beginning of the thread....ufff... personally I do not like it. First of all it carries the design of these suspicious items which Brian describes as produced in 50-ies and we used to consider fakes. Please find below one of them for comparison.
What makes it even worse, having the design of later production, the set up of this cross is trying to imitate the early one (?). 
And last but not least--the source. Brian can tell us more about the seller, I will just mention that some of the fake Freikorps decorations from this person are really well made and are not serial/unique. And what a coincidence, just few months before he also sold one of these "50-ies made" items... 

Fake one.

On 2/19/2017 at 07:03, Aussie said:

Can any member provide me with a description for this badge. All I know that it is from Latvia and is for a Partisan Brigade Badge  from the 1920's

 

Robert Maher

Hi,

I hope you know that the badge you posted is a repro.

Best!

Serg

Actually I did already, some part of it , here http://gmic.co.uk/index.php/topic/60294-freikorps-awards-beyond-the-baltic-cross-and-silesian-eagle/

Hello Serg,

why do you feel uneasy, do you have some doubts about my Flak Badge ?

I have only the small bust portrait photo from his Soldbuch, his Soldbuch and award documents

for the Iron Cross 2.nd class and the Flakkampfabzeichen der Luftwaffe.

Regards

Andreas

I feel uneasy because I'm envy Great items you show here.

Andreas,

I've seen already enough to make my life uneasy But, should it happen that you have documents to these badges as well? Or any pictures?

Best!

Serg

Thank you very much, Andreas!

Hi Andreas,

Good and scarce badge, congrats. I had one of these once, grotesquely modified.

And it definitely was awarded much more than 15 times, I've seen at least 10 of them. Around 300-500, I would suppose.

Can you show us Danzig Flak badge too?

Best!

Serg

You never got this from me. You must have me mixed up with someone else.

The only one I have ever sold was to Chuck Scaglione in 1994, who bought my first Freikorps collection. It was a typical private purchase, enamelled screwback version by Meybauer.

I'm actually looking again for an enamel version like this. So, I if I had one, I wouldn't sell it.

What I don't like about yours is the pale blue enamel. The current fakes have this color. The central enamel should be medium, dark blue and the original issue version with black-lacquered center and plain wreath.

Genuine enamelled versions were only made by Meybauer and came in screwback and pinpack versions and are marked with the Meybauer double-headed eagle mark and '800' on a small rectangular plate sweated onto the base of the star's rays.

There were definitely more versions. Sorry for my mistake, the badge shown I've seen before, I believe it's an interesting one with horizontal pin set up instead of vertical, right?

P.S. Damn Saturday morning. Paul, it's not the one I sold you on WAF, is it? I'd pay more attention

Hi Brian,

He got it from me And it's not enamel, it's transit laquered version

Very good!! It's the 3rd Awaloff-kreuz certificate issued by Deutsche Legion I've ever seen thus far.

Hello Serg,

thanks for showing the badge.

The Mersmann group contains "only" paperwork.

Regards

Andreas

Vice versa My group contains almost no papers, only "metal"

Is there anything in a group what was not shown in a magazine? Congratulations!

So you have the whole Enkel group, part of which was shown in Orden und Ehrenzeichen magazine, in an article about Eiserne Division?

Andreas,

WOW!!! Finally!!!!! This document was one of these "unseen" items I was searching for. MEGATHANX for showing! Here is a badge from my collection, from a group, to complete the thread. Do you have a badge as well?

Best!

Serg

And mine (black). Sorry for offtop, btw