Jacques Posted August 13, 2005 Share Posted August 13, 2005 The three Commanders of the Legion Condor, SPEERLE, VOLKMANN and von RICHTHOFEN have worn a special visor cap. It is a Spanish high level officer wide and flat top cap. it show the spanish rank insignia of General on the top, and a Lw eagle on the stripe. the color might be brown with gold piping.Richthofen and Volkmann cap's eagle has no swastica. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted August 13, 2005 Author Share Posted August 13, 2005 von Richthofen prefered the spanish overseas cap, with spanish rank and LW gold embroidered eagle without swastica. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Brian von Etzel Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 (edited) von Richthofen prefered the spanish overseas cap, with spanish rank and LW gold embroidered eagle without swastica.←Any historical reference as to the lack of Hackenkreuz? That's an odd thing that's made me wonder for a few years.I assume this was done to de-Germanize the troops and make them look more like Franco volunteers? Edited August 14, 2005 by Brian von Etzel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzerpionier Posted August 15, 2005 Share Posted August 15, 2005 von Richthofen prefered the spanish overseas cap, with spanish rank and LW gold embroidered eagle without swastica.←Note that the pic of Richthofen with peaked cap has been retouched from a LW pic.Richthofen used a peaked cap in the return trip to Germany, but the design was different than those of Sperrle and Volkmann.Best regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted August 21, 2005 Author Share Posted August 21, 2005 Panzerpionier, I'll try to find another pic of von Richthofen with his spanish visor cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzerpionier Posted August 21, 2005 Share Posted August 21, 2005 Panzerpionier, I'll try to find another pic of von Richthofen with his spanish visor cap.←You can find one on p. 109 of Bender's book. It seems that Richthofen changed the visor cap for his overseas cap when they arrived to Hamburg.Best regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe campbell Posted August 21, 2005 Share Posted August 21, 2005 were these three - sperrle, volkman, and von richthofenalso the three recipients of the spanish military medal with diamonds?i greatly enjoy these condor legion threads! thanks.joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted August 21, 2005 Author Share Posted August 21, 2005 were these three - sperrle, volkman, and von richthofenalso the three recipients of the spanish military medal with diamonds?i greatly enjoy these condor legion threads!? thanks.joe←they were awarded the spanish cross in gold with diamonds. Does somebody knows pics showing G?ring awarding the cross to Speerle and Volkmann.Both were on the raw in Hamburg on 31 May for the parade, but I don't know if they were awarded the cross that day or on June the 4th in D?beritz.jacques Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzerpionier Posted August 22, 2005 Share Posted August 22, 2005 were these three - sperrle, volkman, and von richthofenalso the three recipients of the spanish military medal with diamonds?←There was no decoration with that name... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted August 22, 2005 Author Share Posted August 22, 2005 Joe, try this thread , you will find something interesting about the Military Medal.http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=1315jacques Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe campbell Posted August 22, 2005 Share Posted August 22, 2005 (edited) There was no decoration with that name... ←i refer you to page 222 of Legion Condor Uniforms, Organizationand History by roger bender."The three commanders of Legion Condor (Sperrle, Volkman, and von Richthofen) were awarded a special class of this medal with brilliants".( this paragraph isin reference to the Spanish Military Medal(Militarmedaille)).sorry, but i'm stickin' with my original statement, panzerpionier.jacques, thanks for the link!joe Edited August 22, 2005 by joe campbell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzerpionier Posted August 23, 2005 Share Posted August 23, 2005 (edited) i refer you to page 222 of Legion Condor Uniforms, Organizationand History by roger bender."The three commanders of Legion Condor (Sperrle, Volkman, and von Richthofen) were awarded a special class of this medal with brilliants".( this paragraph isin reference to the Spanish Military Medal(Militarmedaille)).sorry, but i'm stickin' with my original statement, panzerpionier.←Please post a scan of the original Spanish regulations that established that medal. I will be happy to be educated about the decorations of my own country by a foreigner.Best regards Edited August 23, 2005 by Panzerpionier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted August 23, 2005 Author Share Posted August 23, 2005 Bender's book "Legion Condor Uniforms, Organizationand History" is excellent, but as every one, it contains some errors, due to lack of documentation at this time, or other reasons. Indeed these high rank officers seem to wear on some pics (I remember not where I saw them) the Military Medal with a kind of diamond wreath (Spanish high commanders wore it too). nevertheless, this is against spanish regulations. Jewelers' made, private purchase, ? I can't answer this , but it should be interesting !May be we can open a thread about these special class of Military Medal.jacques Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe campbell Posted August 23, 2005 Share Posted August 23, 2005 i seem to have touched a nerve. please educate me, as i have always enjoyed/admiredthe decorations of the Legion Condor.by the way, i have a number of variations of the iron cross which have no specific enabling regulations,but are quite real.and please don't assume because i am an american thati am an expert on the congrssional medal of honor.my apologies. my intent was NEVER to annoy.joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted August 23, 2005 Author Share Posted August 23, 2005 Please fellows, cool down ! No matter to become nervous in that forum. As I say: "rester calme et boire frais" !I'm not at home to search and post some pics to illustrate this thread.I open another thread to deal with this diamonds upgraded spanish Military Medal.jacques Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted August 23, 2005 Author Share Posted August 23, 2005 To follow on the original topic, this picture shows SPEERLE during the 6 June Berlin parade with a different cap than on the previous picture taken in Spain. This one doen't show any egle but only the spanish insignia.jacques Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe campbell Posted August 23, 2005 Share Posted August 23, 2005 merci beaucoup, jacques!!lo siento, panzerpionier!joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzerpionier Posted August 23, 2005 Share Posted August 23, 2005 merci beaucoup, jacques!!lo siento, panzerpionier!joe←Never mind. Sorry if I was rude.Please refer to the new thread opened by Jacques for my opinion on the subject.Best regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzerpionier Posted August 23, 2005 Share Posted August 23, 2005 "The three commanders of Legion Condor (Sperrle, Volkman, and von Richthofen) were awarded a special class of this medal with brilliants".( this paragraph isin reference to the Spanish Military Medal(Militarmedaille)).←I want to add add that using the German name of a Spanish decoration on a book written in English (Milit?rmedaille) makes no sense. Think about this: I write a book in English about the Spanish Blue Squadrons in the Eastern Front... which paragrapgh sounds better?(a) Spanish pilots were awarded the German Operational Flying Clasp in Silver (Broche por Vuelos Operacionales en Plata) (b) Spanish pilots were awarded the German Operational Flying Clasp in Silver (Frontflugspange im Silber).© Spanish pilots were awarded the German Operational Flying Clasp in Silver (Frontflugspange im Silber, known as Broche por Vuelos Operacionales en Plata by the Spanish personnel).My vote goes for (b), but of course © is even better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzerpionier Posted August 23, 2005 Share Posted August 23, 2005 (edited) I want to add add that using the German name of a Spanish decoration on a book written in English (Milit?rmedaille) makes no sense. Think about this: I write a book in English about the Spanish Blue Squadrons in the Eastern Front... which paragrapgh sounds better?(a) Spanish pilots were awarded the German Operational Flying Clasp in Silver (Broche por Vuelos Operacionales en Plata) (b) Spanish pilots were awarded the German Operational Flying Clasp in Silver (Frontflugspange im Silber).? Spanish pilots were awarded the German Operational Flying Clasp in Silver (Frontflugspange im Silber, known as Broche por Vuelos Operacionales en Plata by the Spanish personnel).My vote goes for (b), but of course ? is even better.←Please note that I am not actually writing a book... it was just a (silly) example... Edited August 23, 2005 by Panzerpionier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe campbell Posted August 23, 2005 Share Posted August 23, 2005 i concur that the use of the nomenclature ofthe country of origin is the best method ofidentifying a decoration.i will add my two cents on the military medal later this evening.my best regards,joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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