Pittman Act 1918?

[mariner]

Does anyone know anything about the Pittman Act of 1918?

Also what happened in 1962, to make silver prices rise so high?

[bigjarofwasps]

Something to do with the US war effort during WW1?

In those days they weren`t the super power that they are today!

Whatever the Pittman Act was, the old Morgan dollar certainly bore the brunt of it.

Now theres a new thread....Morgan Dollars, leave it with me!

[mariner]

Something to do with the US war effort during WW1?

In those days they weren`t the super power that they are today!

Whatever the Pittman Act was, the old Morgan dollar certainly bore the brunt of it.

Now theres a new thread....Morgan Dollars, leave it with me!

Morgan dollars....

Found this...

Political pressure, not public demand, brought the Morgan dollar into being. There was no real need for a new silver dollar in the late 1870s; the last previous "cartwheel," the Liberty Seated dollar, had been legislated out of existence in 1873, and hardly anyone missed it.

Silver-mining interests did miss the dollar, though, and lobbied Congress forcefully for its return. The Comstock Lode in Nevada was yielding huge quantities of silver, with ore worth $36 million being extracted annually. After several futile attempts, the silver forces in Congress-led by Representative Richard ("Silver Dick") Bland of Missouri-finally succeeded in winning authorization for a new silver dollar when Congress passed the Bland-Allison Act on February 28, 1878. This Act required the Treasury to purchase at market levels between two million and four million dollars of silver bullion every month to be coined into dollars. This amounted to a small subsidy, coming at a time when the dollar's face value exceeded its intrinsic worth by only 0.07%.

In November 1877, nearly four months before passage of the Bland-Allison Act, the Treasury saw the handwriting on the wall and began making preparations for a new dollar coin. Mint Director Henry P. Linderman ordered Chief Engraver William Barber and one of his assistants, George T. Morgan, to prepare pattern dollars, with the best design to be used on the new coin. Actually, Linderman fixed this "contest" in Morgan's favor; he had been dissatisfied with the work of the two Barbers-William and his son, Charles-and in 1876 had hired Morgan, a talented British engraver, with plans to entrust him with new coin designs. At that time, resumption of silver dollar coinage was not yet planned, and Morgan began work on designs intended for the half dollar. Following Linderman's orders that a head of Liberty should replace the full-figure depiction then in use, Morgan recruited Philadelphia school teacher Anna Willess Williams to pose for the new design.

Morgan's obverse features a left-facing portrait of Miss Liberty. The reverse depicts a somewhat scrawny eagle which led some to vilify the coin as a "buzzard dollar." The designer's initial M appears on both sides-a first. It's on the truncation of Liberty's neck and on the ribbon's left loop on the reverse. Mintmarks (O, S, D, and CC) are found below the wreath on the reverse. Points to check for wear on Morgans are the hair above Liberty's eye and ear, the high upper fold of her cap and the crest of the eagle's breast.

Soon after production began, someone advised the Mint that the eagle should have seven tail feathers, instead of the eight being shown, and Linderman ordered this change. As a result, some 1878 Morgan dollars have eight feathers, some seven-and some show seven over eight. The seven-over-eight variety is the scarcest, though all are fairly common.

More than half a billion Morgan dollars were struck from 1878 through 1904, with production taking place at the main mint in Philadelphia and the branches in New Orleans, San Francisco and Carson City. Carson City production was generally much lower and ended altogether after that branch was closed in 1893. The coin came back for one final curtain call in 1921, when more than 86 million examples were produced under the terms of the Pittman Act at Philadelphia, San Francisco and Denver-but that was a double-edged sword: Under the 1918 legislation, more than 270 million older silver dollars, almost all Morgans, had been melted. The law required replacements for these, but most were of the Peace design, which replaced the Morgan version at the end of 1921.

In all, some 657 million Morgan dollars were produced in 96 different date-and-mint combinations. Hundreds of millions were melted over the years-by the government under the Pittman Act and the Silver Act of 1942, and by private refiners since the late 1960s, when rising silver prices made this profitable. Despite all the melting, Americans had more than enough Morgans to fill their daily needs, since the dollars circulated regularly only in the West. As a result, huge stockpiles remained in the Treasury's vaults, as well as bank vaults nationwide. This explains why so many Morgan dollars are so well preserved today despite their age; few saw actual use.

Even as the numismatic hobby underwent rapid growth beginning in the 1930s, interest in other collecting areas far outpaced the attention paid to the large Morgan cartwheels. Most collectors preferred the lower face-value coins (with their lower cost) that were readily available in circulation. Although it was possible to order silver dollars through banks or directly from the Treasury, few noticed or cared. In the late 1930s, however, several Washington dealers learned that the Treasury Department's Cash Room near the White House was paying out uncirculated Carson City dollar-coins having a market value of $5 or more at the time! More than a few dealers quietly exploited this discovery throughout the 1940s and '50s.

In the early 1960s, with silver rising in price, opportunists recognized the chance to turn fast profits by redeeming silver certificates for dollar coins-mostly Morgans-at the Treasury. By the time the government closed this lucrative window in 1964, only 2.9 million cartwheels were left in its vaults, almost all of them scarce Carson City Morgans. These were dispersed by the General Services Administration in a series of mail-bid sales from 1972 through 1980, earning big profits for the government and triggering great new interest in silver dollars.

Interest in Morgans was further heightened by the publicity surrounding the 400,000+ dollars found in the basement of Nevada eccentric LaVere Redfield's home. After word leaked out of the amazing cache, several dealers got into the act, each jockeying for position in a scramble that ultimately ended with a Probate Court auction held in January of 1976. At that sale, A-Mark Coins of Los Angeles captured the hoard with a winning bid of $7.3 million. The coins were cooperatively marketed by a number of dealers over a period of several years. Rather than depressing prices, the orderly dispersal of these coins only served to bring more collectors into the Morgan dollar fold. Similarly, the early 1980s witnessed the equally successful distribution of the 1.5 million silver dollars in the Continental Bank hoard.

The Morgan dollar's story is a Cinderella tale: Until the 1960s, it was largely ignored by the public. Since then, it has gradually become among the most widely pursued and desired of all U. S. coins. Although many collectors find the challenge of assembling a complete date and mintmark set in Mint State compelling, others satisfy themselves with collecting just one coin per year. Exceptional specimens are also sought after by type collectors.

Major keys include 1895, 1893-S, 1895-O, 1892-S, 1889-CC, 1884-S and 1879-CC. Mint records show that 12,000 business-strike dollars were made in Philadelphia in 1895, but only proofs are known; the mintage of these is 880. Proofs were made for every year in the series, but only a few brilliant proofs-variously reported at 15 to 24-are known for 1921. Prooflike Morgans also are highly prized and are collected in both Prooflike (PL) and Deep-Mirror Prooflike (DPL or DMPL).

Few coins in U.S. history have been greeted with more indifference at the time of their release than this silver dollar. And few, if any, have then gone on to stimulate such passionate excitement among collectors.

SPECIFICATIONS:

Diameter: 38.1 millimeters Weight: 26.73 grams Composition: .900 silver, .100 copper Edge: Reeded Net Weight: .77344 ounce pure silver

[bigjarofwasps]

Found this, thought it might be of inerest........

The Pittman Act was a United States federal law sponsored by Senator Key Pittman of Nevada and enacted on April 23, 1919. The act authorized the conversion of not exceeding 350,000,000 standard silver dollars into bullion and its sale, or use for subsidiary silver coinage, and directed purchase of domestic silver for recoinage of a like number of dollars. Under the Act, 270,232,722 standard silver dollars were converted into bullion (259,121,554 for sale to Great Britain at $1.00 per fine ounce, plus mint charges, and 11,111,168 for subsidiary silver coinage), the equivalent of about 209,000,000 fine ounces of silver. Between 1920 and 1933, under the Act, the same quantity of silver was purchased from the output of American mines, at a fixed price of $1 per ounce, from which 270,232,722 standard silver dollars were recoined.

Further provisions relating to silver coinage were contained in the Thomas Amendment to the Agricultural Adjustment Act of 1933.

[Guest Rick Research]

And this was the result-- the last circulating real silver dollar minted by the U.S. Memory may mis-serve me, but I don't think any were struck after 1929. Not because of the Depression, but because the Senate boondoggle had produced literally so MANY that no more were NEEDED. Imagine there being TOO MUCH money in the world. Times have changed.

Banks hated these because of their bulk, but I well remember marching into my home town bank as a boy and demanding my saved up pennies be turned into one of these. They were circulating "real money" until Lyndon Johnson took America off the silver standard in 1964.

I once had a six foot long mailing tube for ping pong balls full of these. All but a handful went for college in the 1970s, sigh.

[bigjarofwasps]

"I once had a six foot long mailing tube for ping pong balls full of these. All but a handful went for college in the 1970s, sigh."

What a nice story.

But be honest how many of them were turned into beer?

[Guest Rick Research]

Nuh uhhhh... not when an hourly wage was $1.80, and rent divided by 3 was $10 a week.

From Da Gubamint they came...

and to Da Gubamint they returned!

[bigjarofwasps]

Rick,

Was thinking about what you said, re using your silver peace dollars, to get threw college, in the 70`s. When did they cease to be legal tender then, or did you use them as a sort of silver bullion investment type thing?

Gordon.

[Guest Rick Research]

As far as I know, any U.S. coin ever minted is still legally 'worth" its face value. Anyone foolish ebough to use one of these for a dollar these days would probably be met with baffled failure to recognize one, rather than a

"sure mister! " and replacement with the clerk's own paper dollar in the till.

Mine went for what was then scrap buillion value to a coin dealer back then. Nothing rare or pristine. These coins CIRCULATED in their day

Our Beloved Gubamint has tried many attempts at dollar coins since, made out of the usual recycled tuna fish cans all coins are stamped out of these days. The GHASTLY Eisenhower dollar with lunar eagle reverse was the last in this big size. We've had so many clunkers since I've lost track, but they moved to smaller sizes--

easily confused with our 1/4 dollar coins, which all failed-- the hatchet-faced Susan B. Anthony dollar (another cousin of mine), and most recently the gold washed Sacajewea coin. (which nobody can even SPELL, me included, dohhh!!!!)

NOBODY WANTS THESE! Purportedly vending machines and casinos love them, but lugging around chests of tunafish can metal coins like merchants in 1342 is NOT what anybody normal wants to do going about daily life.

I do it for real silver, though.

[bigjarofwasps]

As far as I know, any U.S. coin ever minted is still legally 'worth" its face value. Anyone foolish ebough to use one of these for a dollar these days would probably be met with baffled failure to recognize one, rather than a

"sure mister! " and replacement with the clerk's own paper dollar in the till.

Mine went for what was then scrap buillion value to a coin dealer back then. Nothing rare or pristine. These coins CIRCULATED in their day

Our Beloved Gubamint has tried many attempts at dollar coins since, made out of the usual recycled tuna fish cans all coins are stamped out of these days. The GHASTLY Eisenhower dollar with lunar eagle reverse was the last in this big size. We've had so many clunkers since I've lost track, but they moved to smaller sizes--

easily confused with our 1/4 dollar coins, which all failed-- the hatchet-faced Susan B. Anthony dollar (another cousin of mine), and most recently the gold washed Sacajewea coin. (which nobody can even SPELL, me included, dohhh!!!!)

NOBODY WANTS THESE! Purportedly vending machines and casinos love them, but lugging around chests of tunafish can metal coins like merchants in 1342 is NOT what anybody normal wants to do going about daily life.

I do it for real silver, though.

Cheers Rick, that about answered my question, and was very amusing to boot!