Republic of Ireland Irish War of Independance

[Danny70]

Hi All...

I thought some of you might be interested to see this - something not encountered everyday... A memorial/death card for:

Sean Doyle,

4th Batt. Engineers, I.R.A.

Inchicore, Dublin

who was shot at Kilmashogue, Co. Dublin

on Sunday 19th September, 1920

by the armed forces of the British Crown

Aged 19 years.

Sorry about the image quality, it was photographed in bad light and heavily compressed to reduce the file-size.

Regards - Danny

[Kev in Deva]

Hallo Danny,

a rare and not to often seen item,

congratulations on your find.

A picture of the headstone would be interesting to see,

he was buried in Esker Cemetary, Lucan, Co. Dublin

Kevin in Deva

[leigh kitchen]

What exactly was the function of his unit - "Engineers"? Would it be the same as a regular military unit of engineers?

And the illustration of the badge behind the tricolours - similar to the Republics cap badge, is this what it represents or was it of a different design?

I'm not too clued up on these kind of insignia.

[Paul L Murphy]

It is very unusual to see a unit designation like "Engineers", the normal description was just x Battalion, y Brigade. In the context of the Anglo Irish War IRA, engineers would possibly have been bomb makers or else blokes who dug up roads to create barricades etc.

The symbol is a representation of the cap badge, the Dublin Brigade cap badge was almost identical to the modern FF badge.

[James1964]

Hi Gentlemen,

I have a photo of his grave and also one of his funeral heading down emmet Road Inchicore, Dublin if you are interested. There is also a memorial on the spot in which he was shot.

Permission I belive is required here as its now in the middle of a golf course.

Regards

James Langton

Edited June 24, 2009 by James1964

[Danny70]

Hi Gentlemen,

I have a photo of his grave and also one of his funeral heading down emmet Road Inchicore, Dublin if you are interested. There is also a memorial on the spot in which he was shot.

Permission I belive is required here as its now in the middle of a golf course.

Regards

James Langton

Hello James,

Welcome to GMIC!.

I'd love to see those photographs, would you mind posting them here and if you cannot,

would you mind emailing them to me to post?

Regards - Danny

[James1964]

Hi Danny,

Thank you for the welcome. They seem too big to post. Email me at

langton39@hotmail.com and I'll send them on. Do you have anything else yourself on the 4th Battalion?

James

[Thomas Symmonds]

Welcome James.

I am sure you will enjoy these blokes and their kowledge as much as I have.

As a relatively newbie myself welcome too to the waters of nothing-is-too-big-to-post. You'll figure it out I'm sure, trial and error, but start by getting the resolution down to about 150 and work on the target size - 110 x 100 or something close to it.

BUT BEWARE THAT THE EPSON-EERS DONT CATCH UP TO YOU!

regards

Thomas

[James1964]

Thank you Thomas,

I'll give it a shot so. Cheers

[Les]

BUT BEWARE THAT THE EPSON-EERS DONT CATCH UP TO YOU!

Speaking against the Mighty Epson-eers will result in:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1csr0dxalpI

Be warned....

L.

[leigh kitchen]

I forgot to ask -shot by the British army shot as in acation, or executed?

In action, I think by the choice of wording?

Edited June 28, 2009 by leigh kitchen

[James1964]

He was shot dead at Kilmashogue mountain under dubious circumstances while

on a training weekend with his unit, the 5th engineers.

James Langton

[Danny70]

Posting these images of Sean Doyle's grave for James1964.

Thanks James, it's nice to see his final resting place.

[diarmuid o connor]

QUOTE (James1964 @ Jun 24 2009, 20:11 ) Hi Gentlemen,

I have a photo of his grave and also one of his funeral heading down emmet Road Inchicore, Dublin if you are interested. There is also a memorial on the spot in which he was shot.

Permission I belive is required here as its now in the middle of a golf course.

Regards

James Langton

Hello James,

Welcome to GMIC!.

I'd love to see those photographs, would you mind posting them here and if you cannot,

would you mind emailing them to me to post?

Regards - Danny

[diarmuid o connor]

hello danny did u know there was a poem written about sean doyle. by another f co. man and living in inchicore at the time councilor sean o concubhair a friend of peader doyle. a tribute to sean doyle. the kincora book of verse. published by talbot press 1928.

[James1964]

Hello Diarmuid,

Welcome to the site, not too long here myself, and I must add a nice bunch of chaps here.

Do you have a copy of that poem by any chance? Or indeed anything on the Fourth Battalion especially F coy?

Doing a project on them at the moment and would be greatful for any information or articles etc on them.

My email is langton39@hotmail.com

Kind Regards

James Langton

[rockfort rock]

What exactly was the function of his unit - "Engineers"? Would it be the same as a regular military unit of engineers?

It is very unusual to see a unit designation like "Engineers", the normal description was just x Battalion, y Brigade. In the context of the Anglo Irish War IRA, engineers would possibly have been bomb makers or else blokes who dug up roads to create barricades etc.

I hope my first post is of interest here.

I've taken excerpts from my maternal Grandfather's Military Service Pension Application form.

They clearly support Paul L Murphy's description of 'Engineers' from this period. Also they show, in this particular case, 'Engineers' to be a small unit within my Grandfather's company, going on to form a larger body at Battalion or Brigade level.

[leigh kitchen]

Very interesting, as is obvious from what I asked in previous posts(& the replies), I wondered whether engineer meant part of a body of men, or an individual "specialist".

[gerardkenny]

Just seeing this thread now, & that is a very interesting card. Here is a very small addition ot the thread. His father Alderman Peadar S Doyle was a friend of Vincent Byrne (Comdt. Vincent Byrne II Bn, Dublin Brigade, Old IRA - of Michael Collins' Squad) here are a couple of christmas cards from him to V.Byrne.