Peter1975 Posted September 13, 2007 Share Posted September 13, 2007 (edited) Been offered a RK des kvk m/s.More pictures to come but what can you guys tell me so far!?Makermarked 1/900Thanks! Edited September 13, 2007 by Peter1975 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter1975 Posted September 13, 2007 Author Share Posted September 13, 2007 another one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Gordon Williamson Posted September 14, 2007 Share Posted September 14, 2007 First impressions are that it looks quite good but on closer inspection there are a couple of things that look odd - certainly different to known originals I have on file.Firstly, if you draw an imaginary line along the edge of the arm of a Deschler cross, it should just touch the top of the oakleaf as shown here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Williamson Posted September 14, 2007 Share Posted September 14, 2007 On the one in this thread, it cuts right through the leaf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Williamson Posted September 14, 2007 Share Posted September 14, 2007 Obverse or reverse, should be the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Williamson Posted September 14, 2007 Share Posted September 14, 2007 The size of the flaw to the tip of the numeral three also looks excessive. Finally, the handles on the Deschler Swords are usually tapered. The Swords handles on the piece in this thread look parallel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter1975 Posted September 14, 2007 Author Share Posted September 14, 2007 First impressions are that it looks quite good but on closer inspection there are a couple of things that look odd - certainly different to known originals I have on file.Firstly, if you draw an imaginary line along the edge of the arm of a Deschler cross, it should just touch the top of the oakleaf as shown here.I see what you mean! If you take a look at Weitze?s cross (see below). That got the same line or do I see wrong? /Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter1975 Posted September 14, 2007 Author Share Posted September 14, 2007 (edited) ...and with a line...Not a good sign on this one either?! Edited September 14, 2007 by Peter1975 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter1975 Posted September 14, 2007 Author Share Posted September 14, 2007 better picture of front Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Williamson Posted September 15, 2007 Share Posted September 15, 2007 Peter,The alignment of the leaf with the edge of the arm was probably a bad example to use as its a matter of degree - it doesn't align exactly and a lot will depend, with photos, if the shot was taken exactly perpendicular.it just that many fakes have the tip of the leaf far further around the wreath in relation to the edge of the arm, but photos can be very deceiving in this respect, the latest one you posted looks almost in line with the edge.The piece offered by Helmut Weitze is a good original one.Far more telling is the shape of the leaves themselves. Compare these three images of 100% original Deschler pieces, one of them a rare example of an RK in Gold. Look at the points on the leaves compared with the one you posted. The tip of the leaf on originals is flattened,(this isn't anything to do with wear, its a die characteristic common to all originals) on the one you posted it is fully rounded. The lowest point on the leaf on originals is distinctly pointed - again rounded on yours.The devil is in the detail, and although at first glance the one you posted looks quite nice there are many small detail differences when compared with originals. It's not one I'd want to own. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter1975 Posted September 16, 2007 Author Share Posted September 16, 2007 (edited) Peter,The alignment of the leaf with the edge of the arm was probably a bad example to use as its a matter of degree - it doesn't align exactly and a lot will depend, with photos, if the shot was taken exactly perpendicular.it just that many fakes have the tip of the leaf far further around the wreath in relation to the edge of the arm, but photos can be very deceiving in this respect, the latest one you posted looks almost in line with the edge.The piece offered by Helmut Weitze is a good original one.Far more telling is the shape of the leaves themselves. Compare these three images of 100% original Deschler pieces, one of them a rare example of an RK in Gold. Look at the points on the leaves compared with the one you posted. The tip of the leaf on originals is flattened,(this isn't anything to do with wear, its a die characteristic common to all originals) on the one you posted it is fully rounded. The lowest point on the leaf on originals is distinctly pointed - again rounded on yours.The devil is in the detail, and although at first glance the one you posted looks quite nice there are many small detail differences when compared with originals. It's not one I'd want to own.ok...many thanks mr Williamson!I?ve notified the owner and he in turn will return the cross to the fisrt seller!This was not easy for a happy amateur like me!Thanks again!/peter Edited September 16, 2007 by Peter1975 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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