Stuart Bates Posted September 14, 2007 Share Posted September 14, 2007 (edited) Forage caps were used by the British Army at least as early as the 18th Century and information on them is sketchy to say the least. I have seen references to a 'Welch Wig' which was a knitted cap much like the Monmouth cap of today (http://www.isca-morrismen.com/monmouth.htm) and looked a little like a beanie or balaclava. I have also seen a drawing of a watering cap or stocking cap which looks like a nightcap (one you wear not drink).In the Napoleonic period Highland regiments wore old bonnets with the feathers removed and with a woollen tuft or 'tourie' to the centre top. Other infantry regiments wore a cap like a pillbox but with the top wider than the side and with a woollen ball to the centre top. The side was probably in the colour of the regiments facingsHowever, I will start off with my earliest example a Light Dragoons forage cap which is described in the Dress Regulations for 1834 and 1846. The DRs of 1857 describe some differences to the cap. There are many Crimean War photographs showing the style of forage cap which had stiffened sides. I will post these later. This one is to a Light Dragoon regiment and was the type used in the Crimean War. The label to the interior is to -Moore & CoLate Bicknells & MooreOld Bond Street,LondonStuart Edited September 14, 2007 by Stuart Bates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Bates Posted September 14, 2007 Author Share Posted September 14, 2007 Here is an example of a Highland regiment forage cap circa 1800+. The tuft or 'tourie' was the usual red for Battalion companies, white for Grenadier and green for Light companies.Stuart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Bates Posted September 14, 2007 Author Share Posted September 14, 2007 (edited) This is a forage cap to a Line regiment c1800+. The woollen ball to the top would be of the colours as described above. Note the facing colour as the colour of the cap's side.Similar caps were worn by Cavalry regiments of the time.Stuart Edited September 14, 2007 by Stuart Bates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Bates Posted September 14, 2007 Author Share Posted September 14, 2007 The 1857 Dress Regulations describe a new forage cap for the infantry and although it does not specify the type of peak from drawings of 1856 it would appear to stand straight out from the cap rather than being angled. It was much like my Chelsea pensioner's cap below. The regimental number or authorised badge was embroidered on the front Cavalry and Guards regiments varied from this pattern.Stuart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Bates Posted September 14, 2007 Author Share Posted September 14, 2007 In the 1880 General Order No. 72 the forage cap with the large, rectangular, flat peak was replaced by the cap with the steeply sloping peak. This is sometimes referred to as the 'Station Master's' style.Below is one to the Leinster regiment.Stuart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Bates Posted September 14, 2007 Author Share Posted September 14, 2007 The Royal Scots Fusiliers.Stuart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Bates Posted September 14, 2007 Author Share Posted September 14, 2007 Here is a pillbox style and is to the South Nottinghamshire Hussars, a Yeomanry unit.Stuart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Bates Posted September 14, 2007 Author Share Posted September 14, 2007 (edited) This is a staff officer's cap and is attributed to Brigadier William Henry Sitwell DSO, commissioned into the 1st Battalion 5th Foot (Northumberland Fusiliers) in 1880. Staff appointment recorded to the Royal Military college in the 1891 Army List, seconded to the Bechunanaland Border Police 20th March 1891 &c. Edited September 14, 2007 by Stuart Bates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter monahan Posted September 16, 2007 Share Posted September 16, 2007 This is a forage cap to a Line regiment c1800+. The woollen ball to the top would be of the colours as described above. Note the facing colour as the colour of the cap's side.Similar caps were worn by Cavalry regiments of the time.StuartStuartCan I ask where this illustration is from? Forage caps have been a source of great interest and even controversy among the Napoleonic War / 1812 reeanacting communities: here in Canada many of us wore the type illustrated in #3 for years until evidence - contemoporary prints, mostly - suggested that they were worn only by cavalry. The newest version, which letters show were shipped out to the Canadas and therfeore must have been ubiquituous in England first, are a really ugly bakers cap: a straight side (1 band of cloth) in white, with a blue top, no decorations and no regimental distinctions. We know 6000 were shipped out to Quebec in 1813-14, enough for every man in the Canadas. However, being hobbiests, with different levels of commitment to absolute historical authenticity, many of the units won't "re-cap" to something so ugly (though cheap)! So, we also have references to some reg'ts wearing their own patterns, modelled on the French "cap de police". Here's a link to a very good article. (Robert Henderson is generally held here to be pretty expert on this period. ) "An Item of Comfort" http://www.warof1812.ca/foragecaps.htmIf I can find a photo of some of our guys in the 'baker's cap' I'll post it. All the best TTYLpeter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter monahan Posted September 16, 2007 Share Posted September 16, 2007 StuartTwo shots (I hope) of members of the Light Company, Royal Scots (1st Foot) c. 1814, wearing what we believe was the general issue forage cap for infantry at this time. Sorry the qulity isn't better!Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter monahan Posted September 16, 2007 Share Posted September 16, 2007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TS Allen Posted September 16, 2007 Share Posted September 16, 2007 Somewhere I've got an early forage cap for reenacting.The original item wasn't really a nightcap, although it sometimes looked like one. It was either the inspiration for, or inspired by, the French bonnets de police (sic?), and was manufactured from two sleeves from coats. The buttons from the coats, with their tabs, would be used to hold over the top of the cap, making it look much like the coloured FS caps used during the Second World War in overall shape. I'll try to dig mine out an snap a few pictures.~TS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Bates Posted September 16, 2007 Author Share Posted September 16, 2007 (edited) Peter,there is a good book 'The Thin Red Line, Uniforms of the British Army between 1751 & 1914' by D.S.V. & B.K. Fosten which contains many, many really good drawings. There is a drawing of a Royal Marine in fatigues wearing a similiar cap and dated 1805. And you are right about the ugliness of the 'bakers' cap. I came across the article by Richard Henderson and Keith Raynor about this time last year when I was thinking about doing an article on Forage Caps with Peter S.~TS,there is a sketch of a stocking or watering cap in one of my books but if you can post a photo that would be good. BTW: I only said it looked like a nightcap so people would know what I meant. Stuart Edited September 16, 2007 by Stuart Bates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter monahan Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 StuartMany of our units now wear the "night cap" in a number of (minor) variations. I'll try to find some photos for you. BTW, where is your book available to buy?Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter monahan Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 1st Reg't of Foot - Grenadier Company - forage caps (the "baker's cap was the Lt Coy.)The num,eral 1 is stiched on, as is the "band" - it is a false cuff on the bottom, though some units make them so that the band is the top od a large turn-up and the top can be tucked into the side of the turn-up. There is a small tassel in the facing colour on the end of the cap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter monahan Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 Another shot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter monahan Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 (edited) And "The Drums" : Drum Major Ross Flowers and some of his "men". Lots of comments about the height of his cap and his plume. "D'ya think he might be compensating for something?" Obviously, these were not thrown together from old tunic sleeves! Edited September 17, 2007 by peter monahan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TS Allen Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 The originals were sewn together from two tunic sleeves. By the era you're doing, I'm not sure if this was still done, but at least during Queen Anne's reign even a single sleeve would almost have been big enough. A friend of mine made his from his sleeve cuffs. Unfortuneately, most of our unit doesn't wear this type of cap so I don't have any pictures. Yours give a better idea of it, anyway. ~TS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Bates Posted September 17, 2007 Author Share Posted September 17, 2007 Peter,I just did a search on the title and author through www.bookfinder.com and came up with 23 results including Amazon.com, Amazon.co.uk, Abebooks. Incredibly the price ranges from A$48 to A$198!Stuart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now