Kriegsmarine Unidentified Tie pin/ badges can anyone help ?

[arrestanddevelopment]

Hi,

picked these up together with some other German WW2 bits, hoping someone can help identify !!

cheers

steve

[Gordon Williamson]

Both the clover leaf and the sword were used as tradition badges by several U-Boats but unfortunately none are catalogued in exactly this format (clover leaf with sub, and sword on that shape of shield).

Unfortunately there are two real problems with these - the standard reference on these by H?gel is far from being complete ( the U-Boot Archiv has lots of photos of U-Crews wearing tradition badges which are not listed in H?gel) and secondly tradition badges were also used by a lot of surface units and these have never really been catalogued yet, so getting a definite ID on these may be difficult.