EK 1939 EK1 fakes

[Guest steve1]

Hi this is my first question for you guys. Do you think this EK1 is genuine or not? I am not sure.

Her's another one to go with the first. Which one is fake or are both?

Sorry I don't have front pics.

Edited September 14, 2005 by steve1

[Guest steve1]

[Bill Garvy]

The L/13 (Paul Meybauer) is an authentic private purchase screwback model, the L/52 (C.F. Zimmermann) is, I strongly suspect, a reproduction, and this without even seeing the obverse.

There are, by my current reckoning, eleven manufacturers of the screwback variety of the Iron Cross, 1939. All screwbacks were private purchase pieces. It is important to know where the maker marks are located in order to differentiate reproductions. They are as follows:

L/12, C. E. Juncker, Berlin

L/13, Paul Meybauer, Berlin

L/16, Steinhauer & L?ck, L?denscheid

L/18, B. H. Mayer's Hofkunstprageanstalt, Pforzheim

L/52, C.F. Zimmermann, Pforzheim

L/53, Hymmen & Company, L?denscheid

L/54, Schauerte & Hohfeld, L?denscheid

L/55, Wachtler & L?nge, Mittwaida

L/56, Funcke & Bruninghaus

L/57, Boerger & Co, Berlin

L/58, Rudolf Souval, Wien

L/59, Alouis Rettenmaier, Schwabisch-Gmund

It is important to keep in mind only L/56 (Funcke & Bruninghaus) and L/58 (Rudolf Souval) marked the screw plate. The other manufacturers marked the cross.

Edited September 14, 2005 by Bill Garvy

[Guest steve1]

Thanks I am pretty sure you are right about the second one.

Cheers!

[joe campbell]

i am in agreement with herr garvy:

the L/11 i suspect is a good one,

the L/52 deserves a pass.

i WOULD be interested in hearing about

silver content numbers on 1939 issue EK's.

i can't recall that i've seen 800/835 etc on

anything other than RK's.

any thoughts?

thanks,

joe

[Doug See]

From what I can see in the photo, the 52 has characteristics of the newer fakes coming out of eastern Europe (supposedly made in Hungary). Painted on patina, a brushed stainless look to the metal, and a very distinct lip around the backplate.

Edited November 4, 2005 by Doug See

[joe campbell]

i see what you mean about the line around the backplate.

it would be nice to see the obverses of both of these.

thanks, doug. i'l keep my eyes opener.

joe