Now that more rolls have been translated...

[landsknechte]

Long shot, I know. Now that there has been some more work on the various state's rolls, I was wondering if these two bars were any closer to being identifiable...

[landsknechte]

...and the other.

[saschaw]

Just as it's the topic, here my two 8 place buttons to one guy, with MVK 1st class with crown and swords or the same MVO 3rd class - I'm not sure which of these two it is. The last ribbon is not a Bavarian jubilee medal but an foreign decoration, e.g. Weimar or Austria. It has furthermore a Prussian Red Eagle Order and an Albrecht from Saxony, both ribbons that were used for orders and for NCO awards - but the Bavarian Michael is the order - so rather MVO than MVK?! Gentlemen, I need your help on this. Not the name, but just what _awards_ these actually are ...

Sorry landsknechte for misusing your thread ...

Edited January 17, 2008 by saschaw

[Guest Rick Research]

Uhhhh, unless I haven't worked down to some sort of announcement in the 4 hours since I was last online, there are no new Bavarian Rolls ready for release.

The problem with ribbon bars is not being able to tell what EXACTLY some awards are. That would be the problem with the first two. ESPECIALLY given the proclivity of recipients of the BMVK3 to wear improper gold rather than bronze swords. Medal bars would be at least definite as to what was actually being worn. There is nothing conclusive as to rank on either bar.

I would have to agree that on the pair of lapel bows that MUST be a BMV3XmKr on Kriegsverdienst ribbon because of the St. Michael. But the published Roll only has 19 recipients of that, only 4 of whom were in the Bavarian military--and none of them match. Obviously the published Roll is not complete.

[landsknechte]

Uhhhh, unless I haven't worked down to some sort of announcement in the 4 hours since I was last online, there are no new Bavarian Rolls ready for release.

The problem with ribbon bars is not being able to tell what EXACTLY some awards are. That would be the problem with the first two. ESPECIALLY given the proclivity of recipients of the BMVK3 to wear improper gold rather than bronze swords. Medal bars would be at least definite as to what was actually being worn. There is nothing conclusive as to rank on either bar.

I would have to agree that on the pair of lapel bows that MUST be a BMV3XmKr on Kriegsverdienst ribbon because of the St. Michael. But the published Roll only has 19 recipients of that, only 4 of whom were in the Bavarian military--and none of them match. Obviously the published Roll is not complete.

I've been distracted enough with my personal life over the last few months (I'm only just starting to come back to the hobby and the forum), that I've completely lost track of who is doing what in this area. Didn't know if there was any new clues that could be derived from the non-Bavarian ribbons on these bars. Also, I saw a mention in another thread that Bernd was working on, or at least has access to the MVK rolls. I had thought that it was previously the MVO's that were researchable. The sixth ribbon on the double wrap bar is either the Freidrichsorden or the Prussian Crown Order. From that, I'd assume that we're either looking at an officer or a Beamter recognized as an officer by a foreign state, and treated as an enlisted man by his own state. I had thought the light blue whatever it is pretty well ruled out the MVK3XmKr. If that is the case, I'd imagine that the number of MVO3XmKr or MVK1mKr on the war merit ribbon would be a rather small pool.

...or am I overlooking some totally obvious scenario?

On the second one, I have scribblings in my notes that indicate that you were able to cross check the Bavarian and the Saxon rolls to discount an officer with this combo.

Edited January 18, 2008 by landsknechte