MasterBo Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 Hello, everyone, any idea who was making the Next of Kin medal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrier Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 Hello, everyone, any idea who was making the Next of Kin medal?Supposedly Godet.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrier Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 Just a little update. I just attended the SOS in Louisville, Kentucky (supposedly now the largest show in the world) and made a special point to look at Spanish Crosses. There were quite a few there, with (surprisingly) almost as many good ones as bad ones. There were some exceedingly fine pieces, including at least 4 Gold class ones in very good shape. Only saw (I think) 2 cases (Silver). Prices were not as bad as I feared, but still pretty high. There was a very nice, uncased Next-of-Kin cross being offered for $4500.There were several "drop-tail" crosses there, but all were fake, with poor eagle detailing, incorrect hinges, pins and catches, and lightweight construction. On most, the eagles were not even soldered to the cross arms, only the swords. Only 2 were being offered as originals, both by dealers whose other inventory was absolute junk. I did not see a single piece which compared favorably in any way to the ones I posted here. This, of course, does not mean that there are real ones, only that IF there are, they are very scarce indeed.Saw a very few documents, with most being for the Bronze class (although I did see one Silver with swords). Prices were @ $350-750.So...if you're looking for Spanish Crosses, you can still find them if you're willing to pay for them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterBo Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 Here is one offered for saleSpanish Cross in Gold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 Question: What grade(s) of Spanish Cross was typically associated with the Spanish Red Military Service Cross? Either Bronze or Silver? Silver only? Unfortunately, my archive of black & white photos of SCW vets do not reveal a clear answer.Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrier Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 Based only on some photos I have looked at, I think the Red Military Service Cross was for Silver recipients. I will happily be corrected on this.One other thought on "drop-tail" crosses. Does anyone have any idea why so many minatures of Spanish Crosses use a "drop-tail" eagle? Frankly, minatures are not my field at all, and I probably wouldn't know a good one from a bad one, but it seems to me that many of the ones which come up for sale, including ones on the sites of reputable dealers, as well as some I have seen in the hands of serious collectors, have this feature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted March 15, 2009 Author Share Posted March 15, 2009 Question: What grade(s) of Spanish Cross was typically associated with the Spanish Red Military Service Cross? Either Bronze or Silver? Silver only? Unfortunately, my archive of black & white photos of SCW vets do not reveal a clear answer.Thanks!I can't find a rule concerning the attribution and connexion between spanish crosses classes and awarded spanish decorations. Checking my files (period pictures and registered letters recapitulative of the decorations owned) I would say:Gold : Medalla Militar + Medalla de la campana , Cruz de guerra + Medalla de la campanasilver with swords : cruz roja + Medalla de la campana, cruz blanca + Medalla de la campana, Cruz de guerra + Medalla de la campana, medalla de la campanasilver without swords : ?bronze with swords : cruz roja + Medalla de la campana, cruz blanca + Medalla de la campana, medalla de la campanabronze without swords: medalla de la campana, nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrier Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 That's helpful information, Jacques! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted March 15, 2009 Author Share Posted March 15, 2009 For those who died in Spain, I guess they only received the "Medalla de la Campana" and the "Medalla de sufrimientos por la Patria". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 I put together the illustration below some time ago for my own reference. I think it mirrors what Jacques said above. I'm sure there are period exceptions, and it does not account for the award of the Medalla de Sufrimientos, or non-combatant awards. But overall, it might be helpful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted March 15, 2009 Author Share Posted March 15, 2009 I put together the illustration below some time ago for my own reference. I think it mirrors what Jacques said above. I'm sure there are period exceptions, and it does not account for the award of the Medalla de Sufrimientos, or non-combatant awards. But overall, it might be helpful.very helpfull; the cruz blanca is missing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 (edited) the cruz blanca is missing Yes - I am confused here also. My references say the Cruz Blanca was awarded for non-combatant roles, yet period photos show veterans wearing the Cruz Blanca with bronze/silver Spanish Cross with swords...? Edited March 15, 2009 by Scott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted March 15, 2009 Author Share Posted March 15, 2009 the one you shown is in my collection; here is another one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted March 15, 2009 Author Share Posted March 15, 2009 I found a name (SCHIBAU, RK tr?ger) who was warded the SC in gold and the "cruz blanca" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 Jacques, My apologies for using your photo - I have removed it.A Cruz Blanco ("1st Class") and a Gold Spanish Cross... very interesting. Do you have any evidence of the Cruz Rojo being awarded with a Gold Spanish Cross? Or any period photos of the white-armed version of the Cruz de Guerra being worn by a German veteran? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted March 16, 2009 Author Share Posted March 16, 2009 Jacques, My apologies for using your photo - I have removed it.A Cruz Blanco ("1st Class") and a Gold Spanish Cross... very interesting. Do you have any evidence of the Cruz Rojo being awarded with a Gold Spanish Cross? Or any period photos of the white-armed version of the Cruz de Guerra being worn by a German veteran?Hi Scott,It is not a problem, you can let the picture.No evidence at the moment for Gold cross + cruz rojawhat do you mean by "white-armed version of the Cruz de Guerra" ?jacques Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted March 16, 2009 Author Share Posted March 16, 2009 Just a little update. I just attended the SOS in Louisville, Kentucky (supposedly now the largest show in the world) and made a special point to look at Spanish Crosses. There were quite a few there, with (surprisingly) almost as many good ones as bad ones. There were some exceedingly fine pieces, including at least 4 Gold class ones in very good shape. Only saw (I think) 2 cases (Silver). Prices were not as bad as I feared, but still pretty high. There was a very nice, uncased Next-of-Kin cross being offered for $4500.There were several "drop-tail" crosses there, but all were fake, with poor eagle detailing, incorrect hinges, pins and catches, and lightweight construction. On most, the eagles were not even soldered to the cross arms, only the swords. Only 2 were being offered as originals, both by dealers whose other inventory was absolute junk. I did not see a single piece which compared favorably in any way to the ones I posted here. This, of course, does not mean that there are real ones, only that IF there are, they are very scarce indeed.Saw a very few documents, with most being for the Bronze class (although I did see one Silver with swords). Prices were @ $350-750.So...if you're looking for Spanish Crosses, you can still find them if you're willing to pay for them!Did you take pictures ?jacques Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrier Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 Sorry, Jacques, I did not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 What do you mean by "white-armed version of the Cruz de Guerra" ?jacquesThank you Jacques - the photo of the Heer officer above is wearing the award on his pocket - I could not remember the name. Interesting photo with the Cruz Rojo also! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naoki matsumoto Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 here is the best condition I found; 3 of them were posthumously awarded.Gold "L/52", Silver "835", Bronze "CEJ"Silver "4", bronze unmarked JunckerHi,Jacques! Always,Shining & splendid SC of yours I will try to get MINT :cheers: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted March 22, 2009 Author Share Posted March 22, 2009 Thank you Jacques - the photo of the Heer officer above is wearing the award on his pocket - I could not remember the name. Interesting photo with the Cruz Rojo also! the name is Eberhardt von Ostmann Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim B Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 My small contribution:Bronze is unmarked; Silver is CEJ 900 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim B Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 Another one showing the same bronze w/swords and an unmarked bronze w/o swords.Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted March 23, 2009 Author Share Posted March 23, 2009 Very nice crosses Tim :beer: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim B Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 Hi Jacques!Thank you my friend, always loved your collection of these as well. If I ever save up enough cash, I still want one of those silver Meybauers w/swords; they are the best looking IMO. Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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