Thomas Symmonds Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 Hello Gentlemen,A bayonet from my collection, pictured below, might not be particularly rare, (it is a shortened Italian "baionetta" M1870 known as the 1870/15), but I am interested to know if anyone has an original full / un-shortened version to show. Most of the 1870 & 1870/87 patterns were shortened during WWI as they were considerd to long and unwieldly (blade length of 517mm). The hook quillons were shortened too.A first pattern scabbard to show, mine's a second pattern, would be great too.regards,Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Symmonds Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 Hello all.Sorry, this thread seems to be hoping around a bit as the replies and questions come in.Back to the Yatagan pattern ...Mervyn you might remember this one. This is the 1856/58 bayonet. It differs from the one mentioned earlier in that it has no hooked quillon. I am not sure wether they ever came out with hooked quillons (?). It misses out being a perfect 1856 because the leaf spring is attached by a screw rather than a rivet.regards,Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mervyn Mitton Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 Thomas - it is interesting how much greater the curves are in your yataghan, when compared with Theodor's. However, interestingly, they both have the rubberised non-slip grip we were using on swords and bayonets of that period. Does that mean Theodor's has British origins ? Although they were often given to Sgts., Durban Light Infantry were gven them in the Boer War - I suppose a case of using up old stock on the Colonials. The guard on the armoured train carrying Winston Churchill , which the Boers captured at Frere in Natal, had DLI included in the compliment - so, a few are around. I saw a very nice example at my talk to Rotary, Durban North, last evening and I think it will be coming-in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rumjar Posted June 22, 2009 Author Share Posted June 22, 2009 (edited) this is the best bayonet made but why is it not rare. the 1903. Edited June 22, 2009 by rumjar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mervyn Mitton Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 Joe - superb condition and I think this pattern date is fairly rare. How do you keep all your bayonets in such a lovely state - is it TLC - or, do you 'cheat' and buff ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rumjar Posted June 24, 2009 Author Share Posted June 24, 2009 Joe - superb condition and I think this pattern date is fairly rare. How do you keep all your bayonets in such a lovely state - is it TLC - or, do you 'cheat' and buff ??hi merv, i just oil them every month. i do have rusty ones that i picked up on the SOMME. They are past a drop of oil. joe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mervyn Mitton Posted June 28, 2009 Share Posted June 28, 2009 I have always taken this bayonet to be the Carcano - Italian and basically the Infantry pattern. The Portuguese also used a similar bayonet , with brass trimming on the scabbard. Having looked again at the Crown, I am now a little undecided as to whether it is Italian or, Portuguese. I will post a few pictures and will be interested in comments - Joe, what do you think ? Stamped in the leather is - ACI 1910 or, 19010. So, it could be a date or, an armoury number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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peter monahan Posted June 28, 2009 Share Posted June 28, 2009 Another interesting, ca 1915 Bulgarian dress bayonet. Some say for Sergeants, some - for Generals. Probably the second.Wouldn't a general wear a sword as opposed to a bayonet?Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Symmonds Posted June 28, 2009 Share Posted June 28, 2009 Mervyn, I would agree with your initial take, that it is an Italian M1891 (Carcano), just with a bent quillon.Interesting that your bayonet has brass-mounted scabbard, initial issue I think. I have only seen the all-steel variety.regardsThomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mervyn Mitton Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 Thanks Thomas. I think I am now in agreement that it is an early Italian Carcano. That must have been the design with the up-turned quillion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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