Heer SS TV officers collar patch

[Valkiria]

Dear Sirs,

I would like to know approximate value for this collar patch I have. It's embroidered silver wire on the wool, backside has paper sticker with number.

I would be appreciated if someone help me. Thank you in advance. Helen

Edited August 28, 2009 by Valkiria

[bob wirtz]

This is actually the Totenkopf Division style as used by the Waffen-SS Division. The SS-Totenkopfverbande (SS-TV) style was upright with the skull facing off to the left.

I know there are slight variations and all but I don't like this particular piece when I compare it to a friend's, which is on a tunic. The background black material doesn't look right and there are particular parts of the skull and bones that I find disconcerting. I'm not an expert on SS-RZM tags so I cannot address that except to the experts: were these Totenkopf Division collar tabs RZM controlled? I know the SS-TV ones were because they came out early, but these came out towards the end of 1940 at the earliest. Let's have some more collectors chime in on this piece.

Here is the one that is in my friend's collection. You can see some very fundamental differences in style, materials and workmanship. Notice the ends of the crossed bones how the threads are not even.

Bob

Edited August 28, 2009 by bob wirtz

[Valkiria]

This is actually the Totenkopf Division style as used by the Waffen-SS Division. The SS-Totenkopfverbande (SS-TV) style was upright with the skull facing off to the left.

I know there are slight variations and all but I don't like this particular piece when I compare it to a friend's, which is on a tunic. The background black material doesn't look right and there are particular parts of the skull and bones that I find disconcerting. I'm not an expert on SS-RZM tags so I cannot address that except to the experts: were these Totenkopf Division collar tabs RZM controlled? I know the SS-TV ones were because they came out early, but these came out towards the end of 1940 at the earliest. Let's have some more collectors chime in on this piece.

Here is the one that is in my friend's collection. You can see some very fundamental differences in style, materials and workmanship. Notice the ends of the crossed bones how the threads are not even.

Bob

I post the patch in other forum too, and the mr Brad Bwanek wrote it's a good patch.

Thank you for the infomation and your time.

Yours sincerelly,

Helen

[PKeating]

I post the patch in other forum too, and the mr Brad Bwanek wrote it's a good patch.

Thank you for the infomation and your time.

Yours sincerelly,

Helen

These are sometimes difficult. One of the things that makes me suspicious, the form of the deathshead apart, is that the important part of the SS/RZM label is missing, meaning that it could be an original label from another kind of accoutrement with the telltale code removed. The work reminds me of a London embroiderer by the name of Israel M Hand, who not only supplied cinema and theatre costumiers as well as UK government with bullion insignia but also produced fakes for some of London's top 3rd Reich dealers of the time, almost thirty years ago.

PK

[bob wirtz]

Helen,

Which other forum did you put this on?

Bob