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    Posted

    KIMJ

    Thanks for posting the miniatures, but they do not seem to correspond fully with the full-size medal bar above. See, for example the Swedish Order of the Polar Star and all the rosettes. The rossettes do broadly correspond to the higher class orders that he is wearing in the portrait, but neither agrees with the full-size bar.

    Cheers,

    James

    Posted

    No problem Claudio! Sorry, but I don't know what the last three are. My guess would be Swedish/Mexican/South American . That's as close as I would go. I don't have a full list of what he got with me.

    James, the bar is Thord Gray's. Promise. All of the items are in the hands of the Armémuseum in Stockholm, the national military museum. So my guess is that this is how he wore them his last years.

    More to see if you go to: http://www.digitaltmuseum.se/ownerInfo.do and type his name. If you type in "medalj" you will see most of the awards at our military museum in Stockholm. Great fun. :jumping:

    /Kim

    Posted

    Thanks Kim for mentioning the link about the virtual photo's inventory of the Army Museum...

    I found something more... that is interesting: the ribbon bar and some rank insignia...

    Posted

    ...also his Russian General shoulder boards! Lot's of other items in the inventory of the Swedish Army Museum... A very unique and complete group! :speechless1::speechless1: :speechless1:

    Posted

    Satisfying to see that most of what this fellow did can be documented!

    Also, Kimj, is there a chance of getting a higher resolution copy of that picture of him as a White Russian general? If I can, I'd like to save it for future reference, and I'd prefer the best-quality copy of it I can get.

    Thanks,

    ~TS

    Posted

    Sorry TS, the picture is from the museum's webpage and not mine. You can try writing them, they're pretty friendly and helpful.

    /Kim

    • 3 weeks later...
    Posted

    Hello, I wrote the biography of MjGen Ivor Thord-Gray published in Swedish 2008. Now beeing translated to English.

    His medals are:

    Great Britain (7)

    Cape of Good Hope General Service Medal 1880-1897 (Bechuanaland)

    Queen´s South African Medal (Cape Colony, Transvaal, Wittenbergen, Wepener 20/4 1900)

    King´s South African Medal (South Africa 1901, South Africa 1902)

    Natal Zulu War Medal (1906)

    1914-1915 Star 1920

    British War Medal 1920

    Victory Medal 1920

    Finland (2)

    Finlands Vita Ros 1935 (White Rose of Finland) Commander 1st class

    Finlands Skyddskårers Förtjänstmedalj 1934 (Finland National Guard)

    France (1)

    Victory Medal 1914-1918 1921

    Russia (6)

    S:t Anne 1st class with swords 1920

    S:t Anne 2nd class with swords 1919

    S:t Stanislaus 2nd class with swords 1919

    S:t Vladimir 3rd class with swords 1920

    S:t Vladimir 4th class with swords 1919

    Cross of the Order of the Compassionate Heart 1933

    Spain (2)

    Order of Isabella Catolica, Commander 1921

    Order of San Ferdinand 1921

    Sweden (4)

    Svärdsorden (Order of the Sword), Commander Great Cross 1934

    Nordstjärneorden (Order of the Polar Star), Comm Great Cross 1962

    Gustaf V:s Nya Sverigemedalj (New Sweden Medal) 1938

    Svenska Brigadens Minnesmedalj (Swedish Brigade Mem.Med) 1918

    USA (1)

    Military Order of Foreign Wars Companions 1929

    Best greetings from Stockholm!

    Posted

    Ye gods, that's an impressive bar alright! One question however, i spy two WW1 victory medals there, a British issue with a MID and another one. Was that allowable (Obviously it was, or at least tolerated) and what's the second one?

    Sam.

    It is the French WW 1 victory medal issued to him in Paqris 1921.

    Posted

    No, I don't think, but maybe he got the Finnish order because he fought the reds in 1919. Finland got the indipendence during the same period...

    Ciao,

    Claudio

    He got it for in 1918 have alterered President Wilson´s and USA´s policy towards Finland. His efforts became known in Finland after a long time in the 1930-ies.

    Posted (edited)

    Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm. This is all sounding more and more unlikely-- I suspect he was a completely "Self Invented Man."

    What he is wearing (SIX ribbons!!!!!!) in the photo in British (cap badge, please? catjava.gif ) does not seem to bear any relation to what he supposedly had. Nor do the classes of the Orders bear any relation to his purportedly exalted ranks.

    I think he was a fairy-tale spinner. catjava.gif

    Surely somebody with THAT bizarrely exotic a career would have left a considerable "paper trail" than what sounds like an Ickypedia hoax? 2014.gif

    Google up ANY actual period references, anybody? Uh, "Theodore Roosevelt Division" (WTF?)... Florida (!!! 1935) Uh, "world archery champion?" Uh... banker/archaelogist-- what, no racing car championships or solo around the world flight records? Uh... PhD 1960-- has ANYBODY

    actually VERIFIED any of this? And, uh, NO-- I don't mean consulting the Ickypediaa hoax. I mean CONTEMPORARY references, in REAL places? 2014.gif

    Cap badge: Royal Fusiliers also known as London Regiment. Photo as LtCol in USA 1918.

    Edited by Mopsi
    Posted

    No need to speculate IF it's true. All of what Claudio has written is a case of reality being better than fiction. Thord Gray is well documented professional soldier and if you want hard evidence I recommend the Bojerud book (unfortunately only in Swedish). Or a trip to the archive i Stockholm, Krigsarkivet. I'm sure they will be more than happy to help.

    Here's a pic of him as a White Russian General, from the Armémuseum collection.

    /Kim

    The oil painting was made in 1933 when Thord married Alice Winnifred Ingersoll (of Ingersoll-Rand family). One of hes relatives said to me: "Thord was wealthy, but Winnifred owned half of USA". They lived in Greenwich, Conn, but in wintertime in Florida.

    Check out "Thord-Gray Memorial Fund" and you will see.

    Posted

    Does anyone have more information on exactly where he wintered in Florida? I've got connections, direct or indirect, at many of the museums around this, my home state.

    ~TS

    Posted

    Does anyone have more information on exactly where he wintered in Florida? I've got connections, direct or indirect, at many of the museums around this, my home state.

    ~TS

    1935-1945 he stayed in Roney Plaza Hotel in Miami. 1940-1944 he built an estate named Grayvik and lived there to 1952 when Grayvik was partially destroyed by a storm. Grayvik was in 1956 sold to Baker´s of Ocean Reef. In 1952 he moved to Coral Gables. The adress is 6800 Riviera Drive. The house is still extant. Grayvik was later expanded to a whole community.

    Posted

    Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm. This is all sounding more and more unlikely-- I suspect he was a completely "Self Invented Man."

    What he is wearing (SIX ribbons!!!!!!) in the photo in British (cap badge, please? catjava.gif ) does not seem to bear any relation to what he supposedly had. Nor do the classes of the Orders bear any relation to his purportedly exalted ranks.

    I think he was a fairy-tale spinner. catjava.gif

    Surely somebody with THAT bizarrely exotic a career would have left a considerable "paper trail" than what sounds like an Ickypedia hoax? 2014.gif

    Google up ANY actual period references, anybody? Uh, "Theodore Roosevelt Division" (WTF?)... Florida (!!! 1935) Uh, "world archery champion?" Uh... banker/archaelogist-- what, no racing car championships or solo around the world flight records? Uh... PhD 1960-- has ANYBODY

    actually VERIFIED any of this? And, uh, NO-- I don't mean consulting the Ickypediaa hoax. I mean CONTEMPORARY references, in REAL places? 2014.gif

    World archery champion Pinehurst North Carolina 5th Feb 1927. The bank I.T.Gray & Co was situated 522 Fifth Avenue New York in a house owned by JP Morgan. His book om Mexican archeology was bublished by Tisells Tekniska Förlag in Stockholm 1923. No racing cars. To the best of my knowledge he had no drivers license. But the was local racehorse champion in Kuala Lumpur and Singapore 1912, but his horse "Revolution" was injured in 1913. No flight records. I beleive he never entered an aircraft. He travelled by boat and train.

    1897-04-27 Enlisted Cape Mounted Riflemen (CMR)

    1902-07-18 Corporal South African Constabulary (SAC)

    1902-10-31 Warrant Officer South African Constabulary (SAC)

    1903-02-13 Lieutenant South African Constabulary (SAC)

    1903-07-18 Lieutenant Lydenburg Militia

    1904 Captain Lydenburg Militia

    1906-04-24 Lieutenant Royston´s Horse (RH)

    1906-07-24 Captain Royston´s Horse (RH)

    1906-11-12 Captain Nairobi Mounted Police

    1907-12-18 Captain Philippine Constabulary

    1913-12-09 Captain CO Pancho Villa´s Artillery

    1913-12-25 Major CO Mexican Cavalry Training School

    1914-03-10 Lieutenant-Colonel CO 2nd Cavalry Regiment

    1914-04 Colonel COS to General Obregon

    1914-06-05 Colonel COS 1st Mexican Army

    1914-10-28 Major 3rd Bn Northumberland Fusiliers (NF)

    1914-11 Major 2/C 15th Bn Northumberland Fusiliers (NF)

    1915-05-01 Major CO 15th Bn Northumberland Fusiliers (NF)

    1915-06-18 Lieutenant-Colonel CO 11th Bn Northumberland Fusiliers (NF)

    1916-02-11 Lieutenant-Colonel CO 1/26th Bn Royal Fusiliers (RF)

    1918-10-24 Lieutenant-Colonel Canadian Expeditionary Force to Siberia (CEF-S)

    1919-02-18 Colonel Imperial Russian Army

    1919-05-27 Colonel 2/C 1st Siberian Assault Division

    1919-10 Colonel COS Transbaikal Cossacks Army Corps

    1919-11-29 Major-General Russian Gov:t High Representative in Vladivostok

    1935-04-08 Major-General Florida State Militia, USA

    1935-04-10 Major-General COS to Governor David Scholz, Florida

    Posted

    Hi Vinland30,

    The medal bar is not mine... I just took a picture at the Swedish Army museum in Stockholm: since the complete uniform and the medal bar of this officer is there on a temporary exposition, I guess the group probably came just on loan from the family or from a private collector.

    Ciao,

    Claudio

    The medals and other items related to Ivor Thord-Gray (originally Tord Ivar Hallström) were 30th September 1993 donated to the Army Museum in Stockholm by the Hallström family through MjGen Arne Hallström.

    Posted

    With Mrs Marguriete Wenner-Gren and an unknown SgtMjr. Armistice Day 11th November 1934, Hotel Ritz, New York. Thord is wearing uniform as LtCol Northumberland Fusiliers. He was recomissioned in the British Army on the unemployed list in 1921. London Gazette 21st March 1921.

    Posted

    @ Mopsi: Thanks for your great additions! :beer: What an eventful and exciting military life and career had Mr. Thord-Gray... :speechless1:

    Ciao,

    Claudio

    Posted

    Documents on Ivor Thord Gray.

    ROYAL LIBRARY (KUNGLIGA BIBLIOTEKET) STOCKHOLM Acc 1998/18:1

    Part 1: 8 volumes correspondance, approx 1 000 letters.

    Part 2: Unpublished memoires compiled by MjGen Arne Hallström.

    Part 3: 11 volumes documents and photos.

    Part 4: 3 volumes newspaper articles.

    RESEARCH LIBRARY,UMEÅ UNIVERSITY

    Archieves of his father August Reinhold Hallström with letters from Thord.

    Archieves of sister-in-law Signe Hallström with letters from Thord.

    ROYAL ARMY MUSEUM STOCKHOLM

    2 volumes documents and photos.

    Medals, uniforms e t c.

    BRITISH NATIONAL ARCHIEVES (WAR RECORDS OFFICE)

    208 documents plus medal roll

    CANADIAN NATIONAL ARCHIEVES

    Documents regarding Thord in Canadian Expeditionary Force to Siberia

    FBI ARCHIEVES, USA

    2 investigation reports about Thord as suspected German spy.

    Thord was in fact a fairy-tale-spinner. In summertime he and his wife spent some months in Furusund, Stockholm archipelago. There he lived next door to author Astrid Lindgren of "Pippi Longstockings" fame. Thord inspired her to some of her children´s books. Astrid Lindgren loved Thord, but also had a neurotic relation. He had such a loud voice that everybody in Furusund could hear where he was on a certain moment.

    He also inspired Edgar Rice-Burroughs to the legend of Tarzan. The description of Tarzan´s father, Lord Graystroke, fits in to Thord. There is a book in Swedish documenting Thords Tarzan-connection. The title translated reads "The man who found Tarzan".

    Thord initially from 1897 wrote his name Grey, but later before WW 1 altered it to Gray. The double name Thord-Gray he adopted in 1917.

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