Heer Another tank badge

[Mboxer]

Hi everyone and thanks for the help with the last badge. I want your opinion on this one also: And later this evening I'll add more photos of more badges since you have me worried about them all now..

[Mboxer]

Here is the front of that badge...

[dond]

Nice flatback PAB.

Don

[Mboxer]

How about this one? We'll call it badge #2

[Mboxer]

also #2

[Mboxer]

here is #3

[Mboxer]

#3

[Mboxer]

here is number 4. I put it on a dark background and didn't use a flash. It has a white-ish frosted finish that washes out pretty bad with flash.

[Mboxer]

also #4

Edited December 23, 2005 by Mboxer

[Guest Darrell]

Sorry but # 4 is a well known fake.

[Bob Hunter]

I agree with Don. #1 is a nice example of a legitimate flat back PAB. The rest, #2, #3, and #4 all have the telltale flatback which sets off alarm bells and whistles. All of those badges should have a slightly dished back. Check out Stogieman's Hermann Aurich PAB in the Sale Room and note the shape of the back compared to your example. Also check out that thread I referred you to in your earlier post. The guys have some great examples of various makers badges ranging from common to exceedingly rare.

[Mboxer]

Darrell (or anyone), On the #4 is that maker in a flatback always a fake?

[Bob Hunter]

I won't say never and I won't say always but I will say I have yet to see a flat back Hermann Aurich that the PAB collecting community accepted as real.

Another great PAB site to check out is Mike Pinkus' effort at: http://tankbadges.homestead.com/

[Mboxer]

I'm trying to learn some good rules of thumb so I don't have to keep asking.. So what makes #1 a good flatback?

this one is a bit concave.. is it OK?

[Bob Hunter]

When you read over what Mike Pinkus has written on his site you will have some pretty good thumb rules for each of the known makers. This is a picture of the front of an authentic Frank & Reif badge.

Edited December 23, 2005 by Bob Hunter

[Bob Hunter]

and this is the reverse of an authentic Frank & Reif badge.

[Bob Hunter]

Now let me see if I can find a Hermann Aurich example...

[Bob Hunter]

...and another from the same maker. Note the distictive hinge setup on the badge.

Edited December 23, 2005 by Bob Hunter

[Guest Darrell]

Mboxer ... the last two that Bob has posted are the only accepted original type HA Tank Badges ....

Bob ... damn that last one is minty !!!

Edited December 23, 2005 by Darrell

[dond]

#2,3,&4 are fakes. The last one posted I'm not sure about. Can we please see the front.

Bob, you've been holding out. I have a place in the motorpool for that last badge you posted.

Don

[Bob Hunter]

That tank is in depot maintenance for turret and fire control upgrades. Don, you will be amused to know that a couple of our learned colleagues (and yes, I use the term with great derision) like to dipute the HS's authenticity simply because they have never seen one with that finish.

Edited December 23, 2005 by Bob Hunter

[Guest Darrell]

That tank is in depot maintenance for turret and fire control upgrades. Don, you will be amused to know that a couple of our learned colleagues (and yes, I use the term with great derision) like to dipuste the HS's authenticity simply because they have never seen one with that finish.

I know a couple of guys like that. If I ain't got one .. it don't exist as original

[Bob Hunter]

What a hobby!

[Mboxer]

I want to thank each of you for your help!! I am typing this at 2:40 am Christmas morning.. got kicked out of bed because of hick-ups, so here I am until they quit.

Anyone with a nice Assault badge of any type for sale feel free to contact me. I did buy from one of the guys in this this thread, but you know I'll be needing more!

Edited December 25, 2005 by Mboxer