Tony Posted June 15, 2010 Share Posted June 15, 2010 Hello, Can anyone tell me what an Acting Conductor in the Supply and Transport Companies may have done during the Great War? Would he have been in the ASC, AOC, worked on busses or had something to do with music? What's the rank of Acting Conductor equivalent too? I've bought a medal to a soldier of that rank but can't find his MIC although I did find his MSM award card which doesn't show his service number. Thanks Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul wood Posted June 15, 2010 Share Posted June 15, 2010 Hello, Can anyone tell me what an Acting Conductor in the Supply and Transport Companies may have done during the Great War? Would he have been in the ASC, AOC, worked on busses or had something to do with music? What's the rank of Acting Conductor equivalent too? I've bought a medal to a soldier of that rank but can't find his MIC although I did find his MSM award card which doesn't show his service number. Thanks Tony Acting Conductor of Supplies, senior NCO in the ASC and STC Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter monahan Posted June 15, 2010 Share Posted June 15, 2010 (edited) Acting Conductor of Supplies, senior NCO in the ASC and STC Paul The rank goes back several centuries but by WWI was a senior warrant officer - equivalent to a Staff Sergeant Major - in the Ordnance, Service and Transport corps. Apparently they exist today as well and are Warrant Officers 1st Cklass - RSMs and standing at the right hand of God to we sprogs one! Edited June 15, 2010 by peter monahan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mervyn Mitton Posted June 15, 2010 Share Posted June 15, 2010 Just an interesting side note to Peter's answer. The first Thames River Police patrols were in the 1790's and were organised by the West India Company to stop looting of their ships in the West India Docks - (opp. Greenwich). They became the Thames River Police after the Metropolitan Police in 1829. However - each rowing boat had two rowers and a Conductor in charge - I suppose he would have been the equivalent of a sergeant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted June 16, 2010 Author Share Posted June 16, 2010 Thanks for the replies. Still no luck finding his MIC but I'll keep searching. Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leigh kitchen Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 Who is he? Perhaps his acting rank or appointment isn't listed on his MIC, only his substantive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 For the period in question the Rank of A/Conductor S+TC would indicate service in the Indian Army rather than the British so the MiC may not be at The National Archives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted June 17, 2010 Author Share Posted June 17, 2010 That's interesting Ralph. Leigh, the man in question is JS Neal. Apart from his MSM card which has Mesopotamia stamped on it, I've only found the MIC for a Gunner JS Neal in the RA whose entitlement was a pair. Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leigh kitchen Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 (edited) Service number? Theres are a few j. Neals...... I think I've found him on the National Archives: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/details-result.asp?Edoc_Id=6547185&queryType=1&resultcount=1 Looks like it may be the MSM card that you've already got though? Edited June 17, 2010 by leigh kitchen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul wood Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 Service number? Theres are a few j. Neals...... I think I've found him on the National Archives: http://www.nationala...1&resultcount=1 Indian Supply and Transport Corps according to the Gazette. Not in the 1924 Indian Army War Services List nor in the 1919 IAL. All the best, Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted June 17, 2010 Author Share Posted June 17, 2010 Yes I think it's the MSM card too as no number is present. I don't have his number either. So does Indian Supply and Transport Corps mean limited research unless I can somehow find his number or what JS stands for? Did you find the gazette entry Paul? Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul wood Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 Yes I think it's the MSM card too as no number is present. I don't have his number either. So does Indian Supply and Transport Corps mean limited research unless I can somehow find his number or what JS stands for? Did you find the gazette entry Paul? Tony London Gazette 22 September 1919 Page 11779 "...in recognition of valuable services rendered with the British Forces in Mesopotamia." In 1919 UK army list as Temporary Warrant Officer ASC, Supply and Transport, Temporary Rank from 3 March 1915. Page 2285C. Possibly seconded to the Indian Army so you may be able to find out more about him. Doesn't appear in later army lists so presumably discharged after the war. All the best, Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted June 18, 2010 Author Share Posted June 18, 2010 London Gazette 22 September 1919 Page 11779 "...in recognition of valuable services rendered with the British Forces in Mesopotamia." In 1919 UK army list as Temporary Warrant Officer ASC, Supply and Transport, Temporary Rank from 3 March 1915. Page 2285C. Possibly seconded to the Indian Army so you may be able to find out more about him. Doesn't appear in later army lists so presumably discharged after the war. All the best, Paul Thanks Paul. Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted June 27, 2010 Author Share Posted June 27, 2010 I thought I'd add a couple of pics of the medal in case anyone is interested. To me, apart from a little tarnish, I imagine it looks as good as it did on the day it was issued. Approximately 1050 of this first type George V MSMs were awarded and it's less common than the immediate awarded MSMs which show the recipient's service number. I've read that some show the King in his Field Marshal uniform whereas others show him crowned and others with the same head as found on coins. Was there any reason for this or did someone just fancy a change? Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Farrell Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 The GV 'Field Marshal's bust' was replaced by the short-lived 'coinage' (uncrowned) effigy. This was used on the Army MSM from 1932-36. Why the change? Not entirely sure, but it was not the only issue to undergo an obverse design change around this time. I would imagine it was something to do with updating worn dies. The crowned effigy of George V, or 'robed bust' was not used on the (UK) Army MSMs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted July 1, 2010 Author Share Posted July 1, 2010 Thanks for the info Tony. Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leigh kitchen Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 Any change of swivel / fixed suspenders Tony? Or was that just the LSGC of the reign & not the MSM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Farrell Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 MSMs were swivelling until 1926, whereupun fixed suspenders were introduced until the mid-1950s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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