sturm Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Hello In the book from Serge Andolenko and Rober Werlich The bagde of Imperial Russia " there is a badge with the cyper of Alexander I it is the Number 1 in the book. Does anyone know an international price result for this badge? Is it rare? if so how rare is it? many thanks for your information. kind regards rene Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul wood Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Rene, Seen copies but never an original so I would suggest it is super rare. I handled A suite of Nicholas I, Officer's ADC, in silver-gilt, Moscow 1866 which realised realised £7,000. I would suggest a genuine suite of Alexander I would realise considerably more. Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sturm Posted October 31, 2012 Author Share Posted October 31, 2012 Paul, thank you very much for your reply. that was what i tought! in 30 years of collection I have never seen such a badge only in Werlich. Not in an international Auction, Not at a dealer! You have help me. kind regards rene Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul wood Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 1.1. was issued in 1827 and therefore theoretically would have been issued to all surviving (serving?) members of the two premier life guard regiments. I doubt if any survived in Russia, a few may exist although I know the two major collections do no have one. 1.2-1.4 can hardly have been issued as they were not authorized until 52 years after the Czars death and so apart from a few pages all recipients would have been in their 70's or over. All Imperial suite badges are rare and for every genuine example there are many more fakes. Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sturm Posted November 1, 2012 Author Share Posted November 1, 2012 (edited) Paul thank you very much! but teh item comes form an old german collection. What do you mean with 1.1 and 1.2-1.4? i have only the book from andolenko and it is fig.1 rene Edited November 1, 2012 by sturm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul wood Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Ah you don't have Patrikeev and Boynovich, the ultimate work on Russian badges,, comes in 3 volumes, volume 1 Civil, volume 2 Military and volume 3 additions and corrections (3 also has some details of fakes). Volume 2, 1.1 is the badge for all members of the Preobrazhensky and Semyonovsky regiments serving during the reign, Thre Officers badge is in silver-gilt, other ranks bronze, this was etablished 1 March 1827. Volume 2, 1.2. Badge for those in Military Service during the reign of Alexander I (i.e. all regiments excepting the 2 in 1.1.), established 12 December 1879 (all surviving recipients probably would have had little recollection of being in the military given their age), as 1.1. but silver with gilt cypher and crown. Volume 2, 1.3 For those in the Civil Service During the reign of Alexander I, also established 12/12/79, as 1.1. but gilt badge, with silver cypher and crown. Volume 2, 1.4. For those holding the rank of Aide-de-Camp in the suite of Alexander I, as 1.1. but silver also established 12/12/79. The books are not cheap but it would be worth seeing if you can get at least vols 1 and 2 on line. Hope this explains things. Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sturm Posted November 2, 2012 Author Share Posted November 2, 2012 hello paul mhh do you have the book Badges of Imperial Russia Including Military Civil and Religious from Andolenko Werlich? in this book the Fig 1 show the badge. I think you mean an other badge. kind regards rene Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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