Bavaria Bavarian shoulder strap question....

[Chris Boonzaier]

I picked up a small group to an Uffz in the 12th Bavarian nfantry regiment... Whats with the slide on blue boards? Are they for the blue tunic? if so, why slide ons?

[Chris Boonzaier]

As the Blue Bavarian 12 regt Straps were red with a yellow 12... could this be post war... he seems to have served in the Abwicklungs stelle of the 12th regt into late 1920.....

[Chris Boonzaier]

The Blue on the straps seem to correspond with the blue on the sleeve rings for the 1919 army...

http://antique-photos.com/en/unidatabase/weimar-republic/69-2012-01-23-06-36-18.html

[Chris Boonzaier]

My 12th Bav Inf...

[Chris Boonzaier]

So.... I have not been able to find the blue boards. The Reichswehr had different ones... Abouth the only solution i can find is that these are probably bavarian between the end of the war and the founding of the reichswehr?

Maybe even just on regimental level?

best

Chris

[Chris Boonzaier]

Another question... I seem to remember Chip saying the laschen were introduced around 1916? so they are very unlikely to be pre war?

[Chip]

Chris,

Laschen were not introduced in 1916. That was the Schlaufen for the Bluse. The Laschen for the Bluse were introduced in order to roll the shoulder straps, not as a loop to put the Lasche through.

I believe your dark blue straps with yellow "12" are for the old dark blue Bavarian Mantel. This was the pattern that proceeded the gray Mantel.

Chip

[Chris Boonzaier]

Hi,

Would they not have to be red? He served 1913-1920 so would he have had a dark blue mantel?

Thanks

Chris

[Chip]

The old Bavarian Mantel took dark blue shoulder straps. The colored straps, as on the tunic, were used on the gray overcoat. It's quite possible that these dark blue coats were still in use in 1913, especially for reservists, etc.

[Chris Boonzaier]

Hi,

I dont exclude the possibility of the mantel, but these are more of a teal blue than the prewar blue. The teal blue is what the reichswehr had according to some superficial research. Also, he only entered service in 1913 as a young whippersnapper.

Is anything known about bavarian uniforms between the end of the war and the time they joined the reichswehr?

Best

Chris

P.S. I do realise they are boards he could have picked up "Along the way" but the group is really a time capsule group, down to the dust and moth eggs...

[Chip]

Chris,

I thought the army wore feldgrau after the war. and these appear to be too large for postwar straps. If they are a time capsule, then I would suspect that they are imperial as is everything else in the lot.

Chip

[Chris Boonzaier]

Hi,

brain fart on my side... of course these are mantel straps... I should simply have looked at the size.

Does anyone have pics of the mantel? The prewar one ?

The straps are a definate grey blue as opposed to the waffenrock blue.

best

Chris

[Chip]

The only photo that I readily recall is in the book, "Lancers and Dragoons", by R.J. Marrion. It shows a group of Bavarian Chevaulegers, some of which are wearing the old dark blue overcoat. The straps appear to be a color other than dark blue, but they are cavalry and wore nothing on their colored boards in the way of numbers or insignia. I suspect cavalry units kept their tunic straps on these coats.

Chip

[Chris Boonzaier]

I think this may be the blue coat? Guy 3rd from the left

[Chris Boonzaier]

Another one....

[Chip]

Chris,

These are Litewka, not the overcoat I was referring to earlier. Normally, Litewka had the same straps as the Waffenrock.

Chip