E Williams Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 (edited) First one is just a young fellow, studio shot. My interest in this one was he wears mountain boots.This second one was quite sought after which drove up the price, for me, it had more than one interest:Group ShotBavarain Lieb Regiment and with the presence of mountain boots, I would understand they are part of the newly formed Alpine Corps, formed from the Lieb Regiment as it's core in 1915.I believe these guys were formed from the Signal Abteilung that were part of the Bavarian Cav Corps at the outbreak in 1914.If this is a possibility, my S.A. Luger could be related.What can be seen in the photo is:Two Iron CrossesTwo Telegrapher's Belt BucklesField TelephoneTelephone EarpieceSignaling LightTelephone Earpiece Leather CaseLeather re-enforced TrousersMountain BootsLuger HolsterMy budget for photo cards has just about reached it's limit already but, considering it was the Crème de Crème for my Signal Abteilung display, it was worth it, I was prepared to go higher. Edited January 7, 2014 by E Williams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishGunner Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Glad you got the Signal one! Mind telling me (even in PM) how much you paid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E Williams Posted January 7, 2014 Author Share Posted January 7, 2014 http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_01_2014/post-16240-0-22280200-1389114201.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_01_2014/post-16240-0-71487400-1389114238.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_01_2014/post-16240-0-22345600-1389114161.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E Williams Posted January 7, 2014 Author Share Posted January 7, 2014 Glad you got the Signal one! Mind telling me (even in PM) how much you paid? In Dollars, Pound Sterling or Gold Bars? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishGunner Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 In Dollars, Pound Sterling or Gold Bars? How about "blue hair equivalent units"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E Williams Posted January 7, 2014 Author Share Posted January 7, 2014 I'll make it all up, I'll commit to another Gigolo job..................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 I'll make it all up, I'll commit to another Gigolo job..................... So 5 Bucks then?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 I like the Leib Regt one!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishGunner Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 So 5 Bucks then?? I think he works for cookies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 I think he works for cookies. Didnt know he still had his teeth!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishGunner Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Didnt know he still had his teeth!!!! I think you can borrow 'em from the Home. Sort of like the library. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E Williams Posted January 7, 2014 Author Share Posted January 7, 2014 You guys crack me up!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E Williams Posted January 7, 2014 Author Share Posted January 7, 2014 I like the Leib Regt one!!!Chris, what's your take on what related assumptions I have made? Do you concur, disagree; etc etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Hi, from the straps I would say Leib Regt from day 1, unless there is evidence to the contrary I dont see any reason why they would have been in a Signal Abteilung before hand? I love Alpenkorps!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E Williams Posted January 7, 2014 Author Share Posted January 7, 2014 (edited) Hi, from the straps I would say Leib Regt from day 1, unless there is evidence to the contrary I dont see any reason why they would have been in a Signal Abteilung before hand? I love Alpenkorps!!!Chris..............True, I'm going on that assumption and from info I read of Kaisercross, at the outbreak in 1914, there were only two Signal Units, one was out of Berlin and the other was Bavarian which was attached to the Bav Cavalry Corps at the outbreak. I don't believe the High Command would transfer them out and into the Lieb Regt but create a new Signal unit for the Lieb Regt since it was 1915 the German High Command realized just how important battlefield communications were. They could have taken some experienced signalmen from teir original Signal Abteilung as they did when they created the MGSSS Trupps. Just speculating here......Since they were Lieb Regt shoulder boards and wear mountain boots, I would understand them to in the newly formed Alpine Corps. The telegrapher's belt buckles are of brass and not late war steel also.Ed Edited January 7, 2014 by E Williams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Well, your speculation is as valid as mine, I am not sure exactly HOW they did it with the signals guys :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E Williams Posted January 7, 2014 Author Share Posted January 7, 2014 (edited) Well, your speculation is as valid as mine, I am not sure exactly HOW they did it with the signals guys :-(Thanks for your input...............Cheers Edited January 7, 2014 by E Williams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 I have seen an Alpenkorps EK doc that was awarded to a Signals guy in 1914, who was then later in a Signals unit in the alpenkorps later, but unfortunately no record of just which unit he was in... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E Williams Posted January 7, 2014 Author Share Posted January 7, 2014 I have seen an Alpenkorps EK doc that was awarded to a Signals guy in 1914, who was then later in a Signals unit in the alpenkorps later, but unfortunately no record of just which unit he was in...He was in an ALPENKORPS and then later in the ALPENKORPS? Did you mean to say he was in the Lieb Rgt and then later in the AlpenKorps? Confused a bit........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 No, he was in a signals unit in 1914 and later transfered to (maybe with his unit) the Alpenkorps. The Alpenkorps Iron Cross documents were issued much later... in his case the exact unit was not mentioned. So a 1917 Alpenkorps Iron Cross document for a 1914 award with no mention of what unit it was back in 1914, or in 1917... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E Williams Posted January 7, 2014 Author Share Posted January 7, 2014 No, he was in a signals unit in 1914 and later transfered to (maybe with his unit) the Alpenkorps. The Alpenkorps Iron Cross documents were issued much later... in his case the exact unit was not mentioned. So a 1917 Alpenkorps Iron Cross document for a 1914 award with no mention of what unit it was back in 1914, or in 1917...Gotcha......thanks. If it should happen to arise on the market again, please let me know, if you decide to let it pass.Ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chip Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 I think the dating of the photo is the main key to who these guys were. Starting in May of 1915 four heliograph signal units were assigned to the Alpenkorps. The infantry had carried telephone equipment with them since the beginning of the war and had formed telephone detachments to operate them. Each battalion had such a unit. These detachments also looked after all other signalling for the unit as well (signal flares, sirens, ground signals such as flags and ground cloth signals, etc). I am assuming that this photo shows such a detachment. This information is taken from the translation of Cron's "Geschichte des deutschen Heeres im Weltkrieg 1914-1918". Chip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E Williams Posted January 11, 2014 Author Share Posted January 11, 2014 I think the dating of the photo is the main key to who these guys were. Starting in May of 1915 four heliograph signal units were assigned to the Alpenkorps. The infantry had carried telephone equipment with them since the beginning of the war and had formed telephone detachments to operate them. Each battalion had such a unit. These detachments also looked after all other signalling for the unit as well (signal flares, sirens, ground signals such as flags and ground cloth signals, etc). I am assuming that this photo shows such a detachment. This information is taken from the translation of Cron's "Geschichte des deutschen Heeres im Weltkrieg 1914-1918". ChipChip....what about the wearing of the Lieb Regt shoulder boards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chip Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Ed, They have the LIR shoulder straps because they are members of the regiment. They are specialists within the unit as mentioned in my last post. They are not part of the signals establishment per se. Just like the infantry brought MGs, Granatenwerfer, Minenwerfer into their units, each battalion had a phone section manned by it's own troops, wearing the same uniforms at the rest of the regiment. Chip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E Williams Posted January 11, 2014 Author Share Posted January 11, 2014 Ed, They have the LIR shoulder straps because they are members of the regiment. They are specialists within the unit as mentioned in my last post. They are not part of the signals establishment per se. Just like the infantry brought MGs, Granatenwerfer, Minenwerfer into their units, each battalion had a phone section manned by it's own troops, wearing the same uniforms at the rest of the regiment. ChipGotcha!!!! This is a photo of the Signal Abteilung of the Kgl. Bayerisches Infanterie-Leib-Regiment, Kgl. Bayerische Jäger-Brigade 1, Alpine Korps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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