taka317 Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Hello I want to know others opinion of this order？real or fake？ I think people is poor，and this order is not silver and gold ，thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taka317 Posted April 28, 2014 Author Share Posted April 28, 2014 this women face is ver poor,but other order's women face is good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogi Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 (edited) I'd say fake, other features are very poor as well and without exterior shot, I'd pass. Especially for the price these are going for in today's market, I'd rather not risk it Edited April 28, 2014 by Rogi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paja Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Greetings Taka317, Is there a chance to get some larger images? Also photo a back side would be nice if possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taka317 Posted April 28, 2014 Author Share Posted April 28, 2014 Greetings Taka317, Is there a chance to get some larger images? Also photo a back side would be nice if possible. greeting paja I not hvae big image，but his price is strang，only $2500 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paja Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 (edited) As far as I know all of them were made out of precious metals, the main difference are the stones, on some pieces they are natural on other synthetic. Considering that this was one of the top orders and that only 114 of them were awarded (until 1986) I do not believe that there were tombak types. Like you both noticed some of the details are not as good as on other known examples which makes this particular order suspicious, without more images I would definitely pass it. Edited April 28, 2014 by paja Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paja Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 For comparison: http://gmic.co.uk/index.php/topic/27258-radivoje-davidovi-kepa-hero-of-the-socialist-labor/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utopis Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 As stated before only precious metals. An authentic last type wouldn't go for much more than 2500. But without further images nothing can be said on this one. Though there is one thing: in the last half year or so fake Yugoslav Great Star breast stars from China started to turn up (just as 1 1/2 years ago fake heroes of yugoslava started to turn up from China). Bad quality but with stones in the center. Some of them sold for as much as $2000 on ebay. Poor suckers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paja Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 (edited) As stated before only precious metals. An authentic last type wouldn't go for much more than 2500. But without further images nothing can be said on this one. Though there is one thing: in the last half year or so fake Yugoslav Great Star breast stars from China started to turn up (just as 1 1/2 years ago fake heroes of yugoslava started to turn up from China). Bad quality but with stones in the center. Some of them sold for as much as $2000 on ebay. Poor suckers. I do not know where are those ebay Great Stars you mentioned coming from but under item location is written Germany. I was very surprised with some of the amounts, in couple of cases they were unreal. But to be fair seller wrote that they are "museum level replicas", one more reason to be astonished with the prices they achieved Some of those People's Heroes are unfortunately coming from ex-Yugoslavia countries as well. Edited April 28, 2014 by paja Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utopis Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Yes, first they appeared from Germany but he sold several pieces and at one point it was written that the item location is China. I think it is very plausible that that's where they were produced. Also one or two times he didn't state that they were copies but on most auctions he did. The ones that sold so high were stated as fakes, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utopis Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Ah sorry my mistake. He didn't put China directly as item location. It is possible to conceal the real location of the item by choosing a different country (default is your country of origin) But you can't change the place the account was opened at and if you look at his profile it says "member since Oct-18-12 in China". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paja Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 So China it is, I never bothered to check the sellers locations... But I think that the most important thing here is that they were sold as replicas not as the real deal, at least I didn't notice something like that. I just checked, we can still see 8 auctions, and in each of them they are described as replicas. I think that only 2 auctions are no longer available and that the same description was used with those 2 as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taka317 Posted April 29, 2014 Author Share Posted April 29, 2014 So China it is, I never bothered to check the sellers locations... But I think that the most important thing here is that they were sold as replicas not as the real deal, at least I didn't notice something like that. I just checked, we can still see 8 auctions, and in each of them they are described as replicas. I think that only 2 auctions are no longer available and that the same description was used with those 2 as well. Ihis order is chinese people buy in ebay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taka317 Posted April 29, 2014 Author Share Posted April 29, 2014 hello everyone How about this，I think is fake，does order of national hero have this type？bronze and no factory marked。I have one brone ，but it have marked。Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taka317 Posted April 29, 2014 Author Share Posted April 29, 2014 I always think there are few fake of yugoslavia's order.It seems that my thoughts are wrong.thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogi Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 I always think there are few fake of yugoslavia's order.It seems that my thoughts are wrong.thanksThe Chinese market really took up steam in faking our orders and medals in the 1990s after the initial wave of items from the Balkans dwindled.I believe that at the very least, each of our higher orders has a substantial fake somewhere :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taka317 Posted April 29, 2014 Author Share Posted April 29, 2014 The Chinese market really took up steam in faking our orders and medals in the 1990s after the initial wave of items from the Balkans dwindled. I believe that at the very least, each of our higher orders has a substantial fake somewhere I think this order maybe not made in china，In china most people collect german and cccp orders.I was not see many YU-ORDER in chinese market。It is not popular in china. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogi Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 I think this order maybe not made in china，In china most people collect german and cccp orders.I was not see many YU-ORDER in chinese market。It is not popular in china.They have certain streets in China where they make specific fake items, you can pick sometimes out of catalogue or bring your own photos for a custom order. There is a huge collecting community in China for Yugoslavian Orders and medals (I have 4 Chinese friends that collect Yugo like crazy down there )I don't doubt that they have at the very least a couple hundred guys that manufacture fakes out there , I'd bet on there being a whole street that makes fake orders and medals, like there is for watches/clothes etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taka317 Posted April 29, 2014 Author Share Posted April 29, 2014 They have certain streets in China where they make specific fake items, you can pick sometimes out of catalogue or bring your own photos for a custom order. There is a huge collecting community in China for Yugoslavian Orders and medals (I have 4 Chinese friends that collect Yugo like crazy down there ) I don't doubt that they have at the very least a couple hundred guys that manufacture fakes out there , I'd bet on there being a whole street that makes fake orders and medals, like there is for watches/clothes etc maybe you are right! I know many fake order of German orde made in china.thank you for your answer。 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogi Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 (edited) maybe you are right! I know many fake order of German orde made in china.thank you for your answer。 You are right as well my friend Balkan producers and a lot of other nations make fakes too It is just impossible when you see or experience the mass amount of fakes from China to think otherwise as well or to count China out they have huge manufacturing devices lol :) Edited April 29, 2014 by Rogi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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