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    Order of Suvorov awarded to 76th Airborn Division

    JapanX

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    JapanX Grand Master

    JapanX

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    As per today only two orders were awarded.

    Previous was awarded to Ryazan Higher Airborne Command School named after General Margelov

    Ukaz

    Awarding

    JapanX Grand Master

    JapanX

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    P.S. Ooops, just noticed I made a mistake in the title of this thread :blush:

    It is of course Order of Suvorov, so the correct title will be

    Order of Suvorov awarded to 76th Airborn Division

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    IrishGunner Grand Master

    IrishGunner

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    "For the successful execution of command assignments and for displaying of courage and heroism" :whistle:

    Well, Google translator could have told me that... I was hoping for a more insightful expert translation. :rolleyes: With perhaps considerably more detail beyond the official party line.

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    JapanX Grand Master

    JapanX

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    Well, Google translator could have told me that...

    Then maybe next time you should try it instead of writing

    (For those of us that don't read Russian so well)

    As for

    I was hoping for a more insightful expert translation. :rolleyes: With perhaps considerably more detail beyond the official party line.

    Article 2.8 of club rules prohibits me from such "insightful expert translation"

    "... overly political or religious viewpoints are not considered to be suitable material for publication...".
    IrishGunner Grand Master

    IrishGunner

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    Then maybe next time you should try it instead of writing

    As for

    Article 2.8 of club rules prohibits me from such "insightful expert translation"

    "... overly political or religious viewpoints are not considered to be suitable material for publication...".

    Ironic. Insightful reading "between the lines" of your original post suggests very strongly that you are indeed already in violation of this rule. But I think you know that.

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    JapanX Grand Master

    JapanX

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    Actually it`s only the order and how it looks (after "modernization") that I am interested in.

    Trust me I care only about phaleristical aspect of this awarding and nothing else.

    As for

    Insightful reading "between the lines"

    You are obviously confused ;)

    IrishGunner Grand Master

    IrishGunner

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    Actually it`s only the order and how it looks (after "modernization") that I am interested in.

    Trust me I care only about phaleristical aspect of this awarding and nothing else.

    As for

    You are obviously confused ;)

    I am not confused at all.

    If it's only the award you are interested in... Then you could have simply posted the medal itself without the ceremony. You didn't need to mention the unit, ceremony or citation at all to discuss "how it looks (after "modernization")" In fact, you didn't "discuss" anything in your initial posts. You simply posted images of ceremonies. You could have just said it has only been awarded twice in the "modern" incarnation, without any reference to unit. But you did mention the unit and that does open up the door to an "overly political" discussion. And I repeat; I suspect you knew that when you posted the topic.

    Trust has nothing to do with this. Frankly, you should "trust" me that my question was simply interest in the award itself - just like in many other GMIC discussions, it's interesting to understand for what reasons an award is bestowed. Why should you think I was asking anything about politics? I only asked what the unit did to be so honored. For all I knew, it is similar to a peacetime unit citation that many US units receive - like the Army Meritorious Unit Citation I earned while assigned the Army Staff. Can't you give more information about this award without going into politics? Perhaps not. If not, then why post the topic in the first place?

    If your interest is indeed that simple, make this a phaleristic discussion instead of a "veiled" political one by simply posting images with no phaleristic commentary. Oh, I did Google the award and unit - using the translator too - but I came up with too much "politics". Of course, Google is only so useful. That's why I'm a member of GMIC; so, I can get more insightful information from the experts. I "trust" you can enlighten me in an non-political phaleristic way. If not, then your topic is...as you point out yourself...in violation of the rules. So, in that vein; stop the BS and educate me; share some interesting facts about the award. After all, isn't that what GMIC is about?

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    JapanX Grand Master

    JapanX

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    Can't you give more information about the award without going into politics?

    I gave you a clear cut answer to your question (see post # 8)

    Then you started to provoke me.

    Please, stop doing it ;)

    The award itself is well known

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_Suvorov

    It's the pictures that we are usually lacking.

    This tread was created as companion to this one

    http://gmic.co.uk/index.php/topic/54829-order-of-kutuzov-to-airbase/?hl=kutuzov

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    IrishGunner Grand Master

    IrishGunner

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    I gave you a clear cut answer to your question (see post # 8)

    Then you started to provok me.

    Please, stop doing it ;)

    The award itself is well known

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_Suvorov

    It's the pictures that we are usually lacking.

    This tread was created as companion to this one

    http://gmic.co.uk/index.php/topic/54829-order-of-kutuzov-to-airbase/?hl=kutuzov

    Why should you feel provoked? Unless you feel sensitive for some reason. I asked a simple question about the award. Nothing more. You are the one who ironically quoted GMIC rules and raised the specter of "overly political" comments in response. (See Post #10) Not me. Let's be clear.

    It's also clear that you have no desire to engage in an intellectual discussion about the award. Posting pictures is easy and not so interesting.

    Have a great day! Airborne!

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    JapanX Grand Master

    JapanX

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    Why should you feel provoked?

    I didn't.

    Until you posted (highly intellectual) post # 9 :whistle:

    It's also clear that you have no desire to engage in an intellectual discussion about the award. !

    :lol:

    Have a great day!

    I'll try ;)

    IrishGunner Grand Master

    IrishGunner

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    Since I'm left only with Google translator to find out more... The unit on parade reportedly was the 1140 Artillery Regiment. That's at least something interesting...

    Megan Grand Master

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    Gentlemen, please!

    It seems I'm not allowed to go to bed: as soon as I go offline for the night you start bickering.

    In stating the reasons for which an award has been made you are not being political, it is only if you were unwise enough to say what you thought of those reasons that you would be treading on thin ice, GMIC rules-wise.

    Award ceremonies and documents help put a particular 'gong' into context, and are appropriate subject matter.

    JapanX Grand Master

    JapanX

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    IG needs serious support.

    Certainly!
    I am sure he will greatly appreciate it.
    "Team work" at its best :whistle:

    ... he be closed-down permanently.

    Plain as a pikestaff :lol:
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    IrishGunner Grand Master

    IrishGunner

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    Gentlemen, please!

    It seems I'm not allowed to go to bed: as soon as I go offline for the night you start bickering.

    In stating the reasons for which an award has been made you are not being political, it is only if you were unwise enough to say what you thought of those reasons that you would be treading on thin ice, GMIC rules-wise.

    Award ceremonies and documents help put a particular 'gong' into context, and are appropriate subject matter.

    Megan, I agree. Context is important. That is why I say it is not sufficient to only post pictures without any commentary. Written comments are necessary to keep things in context and ensure there is no confusion about intent. Without the comments in the original post, one is left to make one's own conclusions. Or worse - adopt those one finds with Google. And it is quite possible those conclusions are not in line with the original poster's intent. At best, it is unintentional and lacking thoughtful consideration. At worst, it is intentional and provocative. Again, without contextual commentary, one is left to draw one's own conclusions. Flippant responses do not help the situation. And like current events, the situation can quickly spiral in the wrong direction.

    Context may not be necessary for "gongs" given for actions 100 years ago. But it is essential when talking about "gongs" given yesterday for actions last week. The topic can be sensitive to some members - and perhaps even painful since we do not know the personal lives and relationships of most members. When dealing with such topics, it is best to be cautious. It is irresponsible to post images related to controversial current events - without any accompanying written comments to provide context - in the belief that it is only phaleristic pursuit. The "rules" are not sufficient in this case since they don't address "taking into account sensitivities of fellow members." One has to be personally responsible to take that step. This is not a playground where children can act only in their selfish interests. If we are to assume we have an educational purpose, then there has to be personal responsibility. That includes talking about the difficult subjects of today when necessary- not avoiding them; but that discussion must be in the proper context.

    Perhaps I was mistaken about Nick's intent. But Nick could have prevented that by providing appropriate comments in the first place. In this case, a picture is not worth 1000 words.

    JapanX Grand Master

    JapanX

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    Perhaps I was mistaken about Nick's intent. But Nick could have prevented that by providing appropriate comments in the first place. In this case, a picture is not worth 1000 words.

    One one thing is for certain - your own intentions are quite clear and obvious!

    Now you trying to talk your way out of this mess.

    Not very impressive job! ;)

    You asked

    So, what exactly did the paratroopers do to earn such a prestigious award? (For those of us that don't read Russian so well)

    Ok.

    So naturally I think he can`t read Ukaz.

    Let`s help him out ;)

    "For the successful execution of command assignments and for displaying of courage and heroism" :whistle:

    No "thanks" and

    Well, Google translator could have told me that... I was hoping for a more insightful expert translation. :rolleyes:With perhaps considerably more detail beyond the official party line.

    And then you have a nerve to write :lol:

    Frankly, you should "trust" me that my question was simply interest in the award itself - just like in many other GMIC discussions, it's interesting to understand for what reasons an award is bestowed.

    Two moderators.

    One openly provocating a member to break the club rules.

    Another one is simply insulting him and demanding to "close him up permanently"

    Are they gentleman`s?

    Hardly!

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