EK 1939 EK Knight's Cross marked "800". Original or not?

[makedon]

Hello everybody!

I recently found this Knight's Iron Cross, marked "800", with another unclear mark on the suspension ring.

It looks original to me but, as I am not really an expert on german stuff, a second opinion would be appreciated.

Are there any copies made with these characteristics?

Thank you in advance!

[makedon]

Additionally to the previous medal, I'd appreciate an opinion about this EK Oak leaf , which doesn't look good to me.

[Jock Auld]

To be honest I think quite a lot of crosses that are currently thought to be OK are copies. I blame the books by the self proclamed experts in colusion with the auction houses and high end dealers that have colaborated to sell stuff. Your Gottleibes and the likes. I do not have an oppinion on your cross as I have only ever held in my hand once one cross that was beyond question everything else is a gamble unless it is cheaper than a copy then it does not matter. Anything more than that then you are the mark it is up to you. How many crosses were produced, how many lost for example worn by pilots or gone under in U-Boats, KIA, bomb damage, fire, thrown away on capture or just before, thrown away in disgust by family well after the war etc. Yet there always seems to be enough to mail order these things when you fancy buying one. To assume that the forger has not perfected a maker or type of cross is naive when you consider how much money can potentially change hands. Good luck with your hunt but if you doubt the oaks but like the cross and they are from the same place then take a step back and think about it. Once again good luck!

Jock