Navy Items

[Bear]

Hello Everyone,

Here are my Imperial German Naval items. The pictures are not very good.

thanks,

barry

[Bear]

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last pic...

[Daniel Murphy]

Nice zweispitze and visor. The visor has that old sea dog, done it all and back again look that I like. On the straps is the T for Torpedo? Can I get a look at the back of the sub badge?

Dan Murphy

[Bear]

Hello Daniel,

The T is for Torpedo and here are some pictures of the badge.

thanks,

barry

[Bear]

Closer Look...

[Guest Rick Research]

Are there name labels on either hat?

I cannot remember the last time I saw an engineer's black velvet plush banded visor cap.

And of course I have NEVER before seen the shoulder boards of a Torpedo-Ingenieur

what with that tiny technical specialist corps being

dementedly rare and all:

1905: 12 of that rank

1908: 14 of that rank

1914: 14 of that rank

1918: 22 of that rank

Naval Honor Rank List showing 2 Reservists, 2 in the Seewehr II, 1 retiree called up for war service, and 12 Deck Officers who were demobilized after the war in this rank.

Since most of the former Deck Officers commissioned in this specialty were advanced to Torpedo-Oberingenieur...

adding a pip to existing boards

I'd say we're looking at a non-upgraded or in retirement board of one of roughly two dozen officers who wore those boards.

[Bear]

Hello Rick,

Unfortunatey the caps are not named. I thought that I would take another picture just of the shoulderboard device for a closer look.

Thanks for the information...

barry

[Guest Rick Research]

All I've got are zur See insignia.

[Bear]

Hello Rick,

I need some help with a document group that I have. I've been trying to find some information on a Oberleutant zur see Bunte who was the skipper of UC-22. I'll post a picture of the document cover.

Let me know if you want to see some of the other documents and I'll post some pictures.

Hope you can help...

thanks,

barry

[Guest Rick Research]

There is no German officer corps with more data available than the Imperial navy.

Carl B?nte was born 11 August 1889 and served in the navy 1.4.08 to 24.11.19

Seekadett on SMS Hertha 1908-- which should have gained him the Italian medal for relief of the 1908 Messina Earthquake

Leutnant zS 27.9.11 U5u

Oberleutnant zS 19.9.14 K5k

Kapit?nleutnant zur See 18.9.18.

He had a very interesting war--

When the war began, he was a watch officer aboard the gunboat "Eber" on the West African Station. They crossed to Brazil and transferred the Eber's guns of Bahia at the end of August 1914 to the ill fated German liner/auxiliary cruiser "Cap Trafalgar" (sunk off Trinidad 14.9.14) and HE retreated with her disarmed to Brazil for internment. The "Eber" was eventually scuttled at Bahia 26.10.17 but by then B?nte was long gone--

from October 1914 to August 1915 he was "Etappen Offizier" for German naval personnel at Rio de Janeiro. In fact, B?nte (junior executive corps officer) was the ONLY officer from the "Eber" NOT aboard the "Cap Trafalgar" when she was sunk-- causing the deaths or internment in Argentina of the other 8 officers! (One, the later Konteradmiral Werner Steffan, had the dubious distinction of TWICE being interned in a Spanish speaking country on BOTH sides of the Atlantic, escaping in 1917 only to end up interned AGAIN after Uboat damage in 1918!)

Home voyage September 1915 (and isn't THAT too brief and wouldn't we like to know more!!!)

Watch officer aboard SMS "Westfalen" from September 1915 to October 1916-- where he took part in the great Jutland/Skagerrak sea battle of 31.5/1.6.16

Submarine school, training, then skipper of training sub UB 5 and torpedo boat T49 (tender) to September 1917.

From then until war's end, successively (no specific dates, as is normal) captain of the submarines UC 22, U 73, and U47. So you see, he had NO German (nudge nudge sayn'more, sayn'more!) combat submarine service.

As of the February 1918 Naval Rank List, shown only with the EK2: no foreign awards were shown, and German ones often lagged close to 2 years behind being listed.

In 1928 married to his wife Irma (born 29.11.1XXX) and living (as he did apparently to the end of his life, though at different street addresses) in Bad Homburg v. d. H?he, partner in the lighting fixtures factory "Metallwarenfabrik B?nte & Remmler" of Frankfurt am Main.

Between 1935 and 1937, Kapit?nleutnant zS der Reserve.

In 1960, "Korvettenkapit?n aD." Died some time between 1963 and 1980, the longest gap in my Naval Officers Association (MOV and MOHeV) directories.

He was member # 1478 in the 1920s MOV.

Oh yes-- that bit about no German submarine service? All three of his commands operated out of the Adriatic naval base at Pola

UC 22 flagged as the "Austro-Hungarian" "U 62," surrendered to France after the war,

U 73 flagged as the "Austro-Hungarian" "U 73" (that was clever, keeping the same number! ), scuttled at Pola 30 October 1918,

and

U 47 flagged as the "Austro-Hungarian" "u 36" which HE scuttled at 44?52' N 13?50'E on 28 October 1918 during the collapse.

Do make one wonder if he later wore BOTH nations' Uboat badges, or ONLY the Hapsburg version, doesn't it?

[Kev in Deva]

Hello Daniel,

The T is for Torpedo and here are some pictures of the badge.

thanks,

barry

Hallo Bear

nice naval items, and a nice sub-badge a very similar UBoat badge up fpr grabs here:

I presume Walter Schoet? was one of the main makers, and seems to leave distinctive grooves to the rear of his badges??

http://cgi.ebay.de/100-orig-Kaiserliches-U...1QQcmdZViewItem

May I have your opinion please?

Kevin in Deva

Edited June 16, 2006 by Kev in Deva

[Bear]

Thanks Rick... Fantastic info.........

Hello Kevin,

The badge sure does look like the one I have.

thanks,

barry

[Daniel Murphy]

From then until war's end, successively (no specific dates, as is normal) captain of the submarines UC 22, U 73, and U47.

Commander of UC22 1 Jan, 1918 - 16 May, 1918

Commander of U73 16 Jun, 1918 - 14 Jul, 1918

Commander of U47 12 Sep, 1918 - 28 Oct, 1918

Coutesy of uboat.net

Dan Murphy

[Claudius]

Hello Rick,

I need some help with a document group that I have. I've been trying to find some information on a Oberleutant zur see Bunte who was the skipper of UC-22. I'll post a picture of the document cover.

Let me know if you want to see some of the other documents and I'll post some pictures.

Hope you can help...

thanks,

barry

Hello Bear;

I came across this old thread. You mentioned "other documents" in this group. Can you tell me what those were? Do you have photos?

Claudius

[Bear]

Hello Claudius,

I sold all this stuff off in order to feed my other habits.

Here is a link to the documents/report.

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=11413

thanks,

barry

[Claudius]

Excellent stuff! Thanks for the link. I ask because I have an unusual connection to your UC-22 log report....I have one of the log reports to UC-20!