Kriegsmarine ANYBODY HAS SEEN COBRA FOR KM CAPS?

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DEAR FRIENDS

I PURCHASED A KM SAILOR,S CAP FROM ORIGINAL MILITARIA, A SPANISH STORE,A YEAR AGO,IM LOOKING FOR INFORMATION ABOUT COBRA CAP,S MAKER,I HAVE READ THIS MAKER WAS REALLY ON THIRD REICH,BUT I HAVE SEEN PICS FROM THIS LOGO COBRA AND IM SAD AND CONFUSE CAUSE PERHAPS MY FIRST KM CAP IS NOT A GOOD ONE,I SHOWED THIS HAT ON HAND TO KM-SPAIN,A COLLECTOR FROM SPAIN HE POST ON THIS FORUM,AND THE HAT LOOKS OK TO HIM,BUT ABOUT COBRA WE HAVE DOUBTS,CAUSE IN ANOTHER FORUMS I SEE DIFFERENTS LOGOS FOR "COBRA" WHAT IS THE GOOD ONE?IN MY HAT LETTERS ARE METALLIC PRINT ON LINER AND CELLULOID COVER THEM.

TOO ON THE SWEATBAND INSIDE THERE IS A MARK"DEUTSCHES LEDER",HAS ANYBODY TOO SEEN THAT MARK ON REAL WW2 HATS?

I HOPE REALLY ANY HELP,THANKS.

FERNANDO

[Harrier]

This appears to be the accepted Cobra logo in silver, so I would feel good about your cap. Some say that this logo, in black, is only used on reproductions, but I am not sure at all that this is correct. It is possible that the black logo may also have been used during the war. The quality of construction and component materials is the real key, I believe. The 'leder' stamp is also fine, but is reproduced also with accuracy on postwar caps.

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This appears to be the accepted Cobra logo in silver, so I would feel good about your cap. Some say that this logo, in black, is only used on reproductions, but I am not sure at all that this is correct. It is possible that the black logo may also have been used during the war. The quality of construction and component materials is the real key, I believe. The 'leder' stamp is also fine, but is reproduced also with accuracy on postwar caps.

thanks harrier for your information,do you have km caps too?when did you start to collect them?

regards.fernando.

[Harrier]

I believe that it is only fair that you also know that there is a dispute in some circles over whether or not the style of "Sonderklasse" mark used on your cap is correct. Some say the letter font should be different and that the repro maker Janke used the style shown on your cap. Also, I have seen disputes about whether the celluloid diamond should be attached with one row of stitching or a double row.So we have 3 areas of "collector concern": 1.) Color of logo

2.) Style of letter font

3.) Stitching on shield.

Certainly, "Cobra" has been used on copies. For me, after more than 40 years of collecting (primarily Luftwaffe, but some Kriegsmarine), the real tests are not the three set out above, but rather method of construction and materials used. Postwar makers almost always get one of the two wrong.

KMSPAIN is a real authority on Kriegsmarine caps and if he thinks it is real, that would be good enough for me.

I am a new member here, so I don't know if this Forum has extensive postings on cap

construction, but I know there are other forums where there are very extensive hat discussions and I would urge you to join them, too. I'm afraid it will take a lot of study (more than I am competent to give) to give you a level of comfort with caps. My only advice is: Don't believe automatically everything you read; instead, develop your own expertise through study and the handling of real items in the hands of specialists (such as KMSPAIN).

Very best wishes,

Harrier

[KM-SPAIN]

Hello all, as Fernando has said I haver had this one in my hands, and IMO the construction and material looks ok. I have read also about opinions of Cobra maker marks and post war copies, and I think that this one, as others that I have seen, are different of the black marks on the plastic/celluloid shields of Janke copies. Is true that some caps have double shield stitching, but is this the norm, or only on some of them. With a private purchase sailor cap with a rare maker as is this one is so hard to say, one of mine is also a private purchase one, and I have only seen another in more than 15 years with same maker, and in mine the stamp is in gold and in the other was in silver. IMO is a good one, an also the tally, that is in artificial silk but WW2 original IMO.

More clear pictures of the inside to know more opinions.

Edited January 14, 2008 by KM-SPAIN

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hi alls

i attatched for display one example from a km visor cap with black logo "cobra"seen again in the forum...as janke exmple

anybody has seen again "cobra" for km visor or sailor cap,original or fake items?

thanks in advance