EK 1870 EK1 1870

[Ed_Haynes]

I had asked for advice for a friend on another thread

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=5633

and, before I take him the bad news on that one, let me ask about another (in hopes that there'll be some good news when I see him next).

EK1 1870 comments??? If closeups are needed I can borrow it from him and re-scan. I know you compulsive folks look for detailed details.

Edited February 19, 2006 by Ed_Haynes

[Ed_Haynes]

The backside, back side, reverse, whatever . . . .

[Ed_Haynes]

Maker's mark (which make make sense to someone).

[Rocky]

Ed, great makers mark for Ludwig Lauer (1) of (4) listed in The Iron Time by Previtera. The pin is a bit different, I had not seen one like that before; however, it could have been replaced. Most of the repros on 1870 EK I's I have seen have the tweezer type pin or the double hooks at 3 & 9 o'clock. JMO -- Good

[Biro]

Ed

The only 'Ludwig Lauer' EK1 I have on file is this one below - I don't have the reverse but it was stamped 'LL' just as the example you posted. The pin set-up on this one is horizontal not vertical like your friends, but it was a replacement pin rather than a converted EK2. It is a match for the obverse of your friends piece.

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I would be happy to own your friends piece and would go as far as to say it was a fairly rare version of the already rare 1870 EK1..... while not perhaps quite as desirable as a Godet or certainly an issue 'I Wagner' marked piece, harder to find than a Godet.

IMO, a great find.... although from the pictures you posted, I would say it is possible the pin is attatched to the hinge upside down.

Marshall

Edited February 19, 2006 by Biro

[Tim Tezer]

The Lauer EK1 that Biro shows is the type I'm more familiar with, but I've seen a couple of those "wide pin" versions. The core details look pretty close between the two: notice the slightly right-leaning "1" in "1813". It's possible that Lauer made two types of pin fastener systems, at different times.

Tim

[Biro]

Ed

Here's the reverse of the 1870 EK1 owned and worn by Kaiser W1 (not a Lauer)

The pin - although slightly less shaped - can certainly be construed as 'wide', so for me, no problem with the pin itself.

You'll notice from this example why I feel the pin on your EK may have been put on 'underside-up'.... at the moment though, the shadow in your photo is obscuring the top of the pin, so it's a hunch.

Marshall

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Edited February 21, 2006 by Biro