Gordon Williamson

Long SErvice Medals

Wound Badge & West Wall

Awards for the Condor Legion

Kriegsmarine War Badges

Here are the Army War Badges advertised in the 1940 Steinhauer catalogue

Be neat to see a thread dealing with different awards by the same manufacturer. My own favourite without any doubt, is Steinhauer und L?ck, makers of the finest quality awards in the 3rd Reich ( after all, the task of creating the first tooling for the 1939 Iron Crosses went to Graveurmeister Escher of the Steinhauer firm, not one of the "also-ran" firms like Juncker ) Steinhauer Knight's Crosses are awesome. I have a few original wartime manufacturers catalogue illustrations which I will post shortly.

Superb Michel. I love the Bordjacke. Last time I was over at the U-Bootarchiv they had several sitting piled up in a corner. They had been recently donated by former U-Boot crewmen !

White summer cotton Bordm?tze.

Austro-Hungarian Imperial U-Boat Badge.

Here it is. Hope this explains. the simple rule is that if the letter appears at the end of a word, or a syllable, the Gothic form is used. This is complicated however by the German use of compound words. What may appear to the English reader to be an ?s? within the body of a word, may be at the end of a part of the composite word. Hence in Torpedobootsflotille, the ?s? is actually the final letter of the word ?Torpedoboots?. Indeed in the older Imperial ribbons many such compound words are split by a double hyphen, so that Torpedobootsflotille would appear Torpodeoboots=Flotille, showing that the ?s? is indeed at the end of a word. An exception to the rule of the Gothic ?s? being used at the end of a syllable, is when the following syllable also begins with an ?s? or a ?p?, or if there has been an ?e? dropped. ( i.e. the word Unsere is often written with the first ?e? dropped, thus ? unsre,) in which case the Stroke rather than Gothic ?s? would be used. This exception only relates to parts of a syllable, not the components of a compound word, where a Gothic ?s? may precede a Stroke ?s?. . In all other instances, where the letter ?s? appears within a word, it is used in the Stroke form, thus Zerst?rer, Linienschiff, Panzerschiff. Schlachtschiff, Versuchsboot, Segelschulschiff, etc. What confuses the matter even further is the fact that of course both forms of ?s? may appear in the same compound word, hence Unterseebootsflotille ( Unterseeboots=Flotille) uses the Stroke form of ?s? within the word ?Unterseeboots? , but the Gothic form at the end. It is assumed that when, post-war, ships tally ribbons were made up for crew associations, and the collector market, the firms responsible were those who also wove the early ribbons for the Bundesmarine and that they simply used the same letter forms for their replicas. This when such post-war made ribbons for the Scharnhorst, Graf Spee etc are encountered, they invariably use the Gothic ?s? throughout. Hopefully this brief explanation of the Grammatical rules will help collectors avoid purchasing these post-war copies or early Bundesmarine tallies in the belief that they are original.

Tony, It doesn't. It has the correct "stroke" style s in schiff, and the gothic style s at the end of U=Boots. I had a write up on exactly what the rules were on where each style of s should be used. I'll try to dig it out and post it here.

Thanks for posting these Michel. Always a treat to see some of your fabulous KM headgear. Vogler's cap is simply superb !!

Correct Laurence. Here's the same cap with white top on

And what the "inside" should look like on a cap with removable vs fixed top. Should always be a white "cheesecloth" type covering to the crown.

Fraid not. Its listed as their badge, but not the reason why. Probably just liked the design, there may not be anything more to it than that. Here the NCO Visor.

Nope, they are the same. Just the photo makes them look different. Actually, its quite difficult to see on this image, but all four arms of the swastika are cut out. Look at the Schickle and Mayer examples and the top arm of the swastika is solid. What looks like a solid arm on Michel's photo is the pin showing through from the back of the badge.

When it comes to out and out fakes there are plenty of these too. Most of the common fakes have an obvious error. Here is a genuine Panzerschiff Deustchland band. Then look at the way the word Panzerschiff is done on the fake. The letter "s" on the fake is shown as a Gothic S , not the correct "stroke" type s. It has been suggested that both types of S were used on originals. That is true, but there were strict gramatical rules are to where in the word it could appear. NO original bands used the gothic style "s" in the word schiff where the word schiff was the suffix. Same with the word "schule" in e.g. Unterseebootsschule. The s at the end of Unterseeboots is correctly Gothic, but the S that begins the word "Schule" must be the stroke type, so you have both types in the same word, but in the correct places grammatically.

What you have to watch for primarily are very early Bundesmarine ribbons being passed off as Kriegsmarine. In the first months of the BUndesmarine, they used the same Gothic script font for the lettering. In fact some of the early Bundesmarine ribbons, such as those I've shown here, are even rarer than the Kriegsmarine ones, though not quite as valuable.

Nick, Its Bronze. It was used as a "tradition" badge by U-274.

Having got all the schools and flotillas I am working my way through the tenders and support ships.

The flotilla ribbons The full set- It was originally intended to number them, hence 1 Unterseebootflotille, but this was soon changed to names, and 1 Flotille became Weddigen Flotilla, 1 Unterseebootflotille 1 was the only numbered ribbon.

Most of the stuff worn by U-Boat crews was regular naval issue. One of the few things ( along with the U-Boat badges and their documents) which were only worn by U-Boat men were the specific cap ribbons. Here are the training school ribbons. The Unterseebootsabwehrschule designation was a "disguise" to suggest they were being trained in defences against submarines, but this was in fact the first "secret" U-Boat training school. All U-Boat ribbons range from hard to find up to super rare, none are common

Junior Officer grade visor cap. I decided to restrict myself to caps up to the grade of Kapit?nleutnant, as there were relatively few U-Boat commanders over this rank, "Kaleu" being the predominant rank for the U-Boat commander.

Matrosenm?tze-. This one has the cap ribbon "U=Bootsbegleitschiff Saar"

As part of my interest in U-Boat stuff, I decided to try and get examples of all the normal cloth headgear worn by a typical U-Boat crew, based on photographic evidence. This in fact covers a wide range including the tropical helmet ( which I haven't got yet) bizarre though it seems to think of people clambering through narrow U-Boat hatches with big sun helmets ! We have Michel as a member, and he has what I guess is one of the finest U-Boat collections in existence, so if we are lucky we may see some of his too. Here are a few of mine. Officers Bordm?tze