kapten_windu

Correction for Hugh's first Kris: -dapur: Sempono (very similar with Jaran Guyang, difficult for beginner like me to identificate.. ) -pamor: jung kebak donya -warangka (scabbard): gayaman -pendok(metal part on scabbard): bunton -period: est 18th century :cheers:

one unique fact that sometimes the Empu made the Kris by hand!! so you can see the thumb finger prints on it..

this is the information (in Indonesian): http://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenderal_Besar

unfortunately i can't, the picture resolution is too small, and i forgot to take a photo of 5 star rank during my last visit to the museum..:(

PAMOR is an ornament or motif found on the blade (Kris, Spear, Swords, Wedung and others). This decoration was established not because of carved or 'diserasah' (Inlay) or coated, but because the forging technique which brings together several different metallic elements. This pamoring technique was until now only controlled by the master on Indonesia and surrounding it (Malaysia, Brunei, Philippines and Thailand) Outside the Indonesia and surrounding areas are usually only known technique just like the sword of Inlay like Iran or any other European country, so even though the arts (art) looks beautiful but the impression of "Wingit"(supernatural charisma) its not there at all. It is also possible to master the basic region of the archipelago (particularly Java) that processes mixing various metals so beautiful pamor and high artistic merit. This prestige material by most authors from the Nickel said of the material, but this one altogether because it is based on research by Mr.. Haryono Aroembinang MSc (late) and some experts in BATAN Yogyakarta obtained evidence that the material is titanium, a material New in the 20th century used as a coating material space vehicles, but our masters have used all along. This is explained as follows, when the meteor entered the atmosphere earth then most of the materials copper, iron, nickel, lead, brass fire destroyed and only titanium which lasted until the earth. The raw material is made from a meteor prestige formerly contained so kris ancient earth contains a lot of titanium and weighs lightly. Renowned pamor of the Luwu, South Sulawesi, which was brought by traders from Bugis. Most famous materials for Pamor is the Pamor of Prambanan, it's currently at the Kraton Surakarta given name Kanjeng Kyai Pamor and its size is now only about 60x60x80 cm since been widely used to make Kris of the palace. After the meteorite materials hard to come by, then Nickel material used, so that the keris is currently weights heavier.. -source: from a friend-

a good explanation, thank you.. as Love aka Roel explained, it use some chemical instrument (including arsenic), but of course the technique will be the secret of the empu.. and the bold words called: dimaharkan.. :)

awesome..!!

very interesting Hugh, yoursare beautiful, and have a supernatural power.. i think your first Kris is Kris luk 7 dapur Jaran Guyang (eng.: dancing horse ), IMO the pamor name is Manikem.. the second is a straight one, i can't identify the dapur (well, there are 57 kind of dapur on Straight Kris!),the Pamor probably Adeg.. i'll ask my friend about more information keep preserve it and be careful with it.. :P

Hi Megan, what's it manufacturer? is it made locally?

Brian, thank you! Kris is a symbol of 'Javanese gentleman', that's why as a Javanese i must have some Kris.. Can you post your Kris here? I'd like too see it's characteristics.. Gavin, this is a modern one.. The old Kris with rare pamor like Udan Mas (the motive is like mine above) and have special spiritual/magic ability can be valued up to $8000! On the other hands, the old Kris with common pamor like 'ngulit semangka'(eng-watermelon skin) from 15th century with no magic ability can be just $150..

Thank you Mervyn.. There are 2 way of collecting Kris: 1. Appreciating it's art: as art decoration/investment->I'm one of this 2. Spiritual->not only about it's art, but also as a spiritual media, magic, etc (influenced by traditional beliefs&philosophy) Windu

wild card: thank you! Roel: you're right! Dhapur is the style of the blade, the various sub-style of dhapur mostly came from the various shape on the lower parts of the blade.. I think someday i have to post a thread about general knowledge of Kris.. -Windu-

I get it on a local auction, just about half of the fair price.. Does someone here have Kris too?

not bad for my room decoration.. :cheers:

in it's 'warangka' / scabbard

near the handle:

Closer to the blade motive: beautiful! isn't it?

another side:

closer look to the blade..

Hi Gentlemen, this is my new Kris.. the character of this Kris: Dapur: Tilam Upih.--> i don't know the translation in English Pamor (blade motive): Udan Mas.--> gold rainfall (this is one of the most favourite pamor) Tangguh: Kamardikan.-->means this is a new made kris (Kamardikan means period 1945-now) Blade: 35 Cm. Scabbard & Handle: Kayu Sono Keling.--> Sono keling wood

OK, i've change my photo.. It's "W"= Windu.. :lol:

COOL..!! thanks for sharing.. :cheers:

Yes, it's a big target! Can be 'sitting-duck' if it has no special ability.. Hey Jim, what's wrong with my avatar picture? She's very cute, isn't it?? If McDonalds or Starbucks pay me $5 a year, i'll use their symbol as my avatar.. :lol: Windu P.S: don't worry, i think i'll change my avatar soon.. But still haven't decide what's the picture.. :speechless:

Finally.. You're correct Jim..! Your point! Prototype built in 1970, total 20 produced until 1985.. I think it's the fastest Military Hovercraft on earth, isn't it?? US-LCAC or other Military Hovercrafts aren't as fast as it, am i correct? I ever read in a magazine that the 2 main propellers' machine based on Tu-95 'Bear' propellers' machine.. Windu

You're closer Jim!! But still incorrect.. ,, The standard weapon are just 2 twin AK230 30mm as I said before (then some were modified by adding SAM/Chaff-flares) Keep trying Gentlemen, it's closer and closer to the answer!! Windu