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I finished this over the weekend and hope to post a pic tomorrow. I had to substitute 1914 versions of the Mecklenburg medals and a complete 'ringer' ( a silver 'Neumark' medal that looks vaguely like the Lippe medal obverse) for the #12 medal because there are no copies and originals are too expensive. I will have to swap out as I can, if I ever can.
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OK, thanks to all who posted to this thread. I am going to reproduce this bar for a display so my final take on it is: 1. Red Eagle 3rd, w/o swords 2. Crown Order 3rd, w/o swords 3. Hohenzollern Houshold Order 3rd w/o swords 4. Prussian 1813-14-15-1863 Napoleonic wars Commemorative Medal on Hohenzollern ribbon 5. Golden Wedding Medal, Wilhelm I with enameled circumference 6. English Queen Victoria Jubilee Medal (1887) on Llloyd's 1883/1913 type ribbon The ribbon has been a challenge to run down for #5 and #6.
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So now we have: 1. Red Eagle 3rd w/o swords; 2. Crown Order 3rd, w/o swords; 3. Hohenzollern House Order 3rd, w/o swords; 4. Prussian1813-14-15-1863 medal on Hohenzollern ribbon; 5. Willy I Golden Wedding anniversary medal (Good luck finding this ribbon) 6. Queen Victoria 1887 Golden Jubilee medal This looks right to me, no matter how odd the #4 medal is, since there is documented precedence for it.
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Yes, this enlargement is good enough to get my vote for that. It is curious that the #5 Willy I Golden Wedding medal, which would have that surmounting imperial crown, does not have the enameled circumference band. But, assuming that it is, what is the last medal? The bust is facing the correct direction for a Victoria-era British medal.
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Interesting guess. This may be the medal, but I'd point out it makes less sense to wear this 1863 commemorative medal on a Hohenzollern ribbon than the 1870 medal since Willy II was at least nominally a commissioned officer at the time and might have been given the non combatant medal to wear. Daniel's reference to Prince Albrecht's 1813-1814-1815 -1863 commemorative medal on the HOH ribbon is a strong bit of evidence in support of this, however and I'm inclined to go with that. A tangible example is hard to refute.
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Thanks for this photo. I was able to find a gilt brass or bronze one from a German website and a 'Thaler' medal also in silver. Was the reverse of the Thaler similar to the medal also? This seems to have been either a rare decoration or one seldom worn. (Although the price for a non-gold one would suggest maybe not so rare).
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OK, so now we have: 1. EK2 (1870) 2. 25 year long service 3. 1864 Dupel Cross or Alsen? ribbon looks wrong for Duppel 4. 1870 medal, no bars 5. 1866 medal (Konigratz) 6. 1864 War medal 7. Hohenzollern Denkmünze für Kämpfer 1848 - 1849 8. Krönungsmedaille 1861 (Coronation medal: Was this an actual medal or Thaler coin? I have a reference that shows yellow ribbon) 9. Hessen Militär - Verdienstkreuz 1870 / 71 10. Mecklenburg Sschwerin service cross 11. Mecklenburg Strelitz service cross 12 Lippe Militärverdienstmedaille mit gekreuzten Säbeln auf dem Band 1870 / 71 Does anyone have any more information about the 1861 coronation medal?
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That;s a good photo and I count only 12 medals: 1. EK2 (1870) 2. 25 year long service 3. 1864 Dupel Cross or Alsen? ribbon looks wrong for Duppel 4. 1870 medal, no bars 5. 1866 medal (Konigratz) 6. 1864 War medal 7. ? 8. ? 9. Mecklenburg Sschwerin 10. Mecklenburg Strelitz 11. ? 12.? Some Turkish medal, Imtiaz or somesuch?
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Can anyone decipher the medals worn by Field Marshal von Moltke? I am sure that he was awarded medals and honors by the bushel basketsful by the German States and had virtually every Prussian award except the Oakleaves to his PLM Grand Cross, so the list of his awarded medals isn't necessarily what he actually chose to wear on his bar. The resolution of the photos I have isn't good enought to identify more than a few.
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Second photo down has the clearest photo yet of the ribbon bar, late war (Ley is wearing a 'wartime' RAD uniform). http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=107739 The 'flower war' ribbons are clearly visible and are the usual ones, Anschluss, Sudetenland without the Prague spange, and the West Wall. The new mystery is the ribbon in #2 place. The order seems to be: 1. EK2 1914 2. ? 3. Hindenburg Cross 4. NSDAP 25 5. NSDAP 15 6. NSDAP 10 7. Anschluss (Austrian annexation 1938) 8. Sudetenland 9. West Wall The #2 ribbon would be a WW1 valor decoration but I have found no service records for Ley to even guess which.
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That would be a red ribbon with white/black borders? This one in #7 place looks to have a central stripe. The one in #6 looks like a dark color (although lighter than the #7 ribbon: may be angle/ribbon make/dye difference) and has the lighter border stripes like the Austrian Anschluss ribbon. I am searching for a color photo or better resolution bw one but no luck online yet. I am sure we are all on the same page with the ribbon types but for anyone looking at this 'new' here's a link to the ribbon patterns: http://www.worldmedals.co.uk/Rib/germrib.htm
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This site http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/related/ribbons/regulations/rules_regulations4.htm shows the German Social Services (Red Cross or 'Volkspflege') decoration or medal, with swords, (assume the 'decoration' is 3rd class, medal 4th class) to be the correct first position medal but the Sudetenland medal is the only medal, by regulation, that can be in the #7 place, between the Anschluss and the West Wall medal ribbons. Weird or wrong?