Alan Baird

Actually, I would have thought that the poor or local villagers would have taken the elephant meat. Imagine how many families it could have fed. They probably could have easily preserved the meat to keep it good. Yet I have never seen a photograph etc showing elephants being cut up for their meat. Maybe in India in the 1920's etc it was considered inappropriate to eat such meat. I also remember recently reading........that in Central Africa , the elephant meat is so prized, that this is now the greatest risk to the elephants survival in these area's. Alan. P.S I have actually eaten crocodile before. It was only small pieces of meat but can't remember what it tasted like but my wife said it was like a mixture of chicken and fish. Maybe elephant also tastes like chicken and fish.

Hi Paul, I better not tell me wife what your said...….she would sell the lot tomorrow. Most of the photographs are scenic but here are just a few ….showing a group touring and what happens to a rogue elephant. Alan.

Hi, Indian [Imperial] Police Dinner Club, Annual Dinner, Wednesday the 22nd of June in 1932. Norman E. Q. Mainwaring, Deputy Inspector General of the Indian Madras Police retired, attended the Indian [Imperial] Police Dinner Club's annual dinner which was held at the Edward VII Rooms, Hotel Victoria, W.C.2, on Wednesday the 22nd of June in 1932. The Dinner Club's guest of honour was 'H.R.H. The Prince of Wales' and this explains why the dress requirement was for, 'Evening Dress & miniature decorations.' Norman E. Q. Mainwaring was also given a programme which lists all those attending the dinner and identifies the individual table seating arrangements. The tables were arranged in order ie Central Provinces, Punjab and N.W.F.P, United Provinces, Madras and Burma, Assam and Bengal etc. On the 23rd of June in 1932, the Times Newspaper records the event and also lists those who attended the event. By 1932 Norman E. Q. Mainwaring would have retired and settled in the United Kingdom for some considerable time so there appears to be a strong bond between those that served in the Imperial service etc. Some more photographs of the seating arrangement etc

Hi, 'Madras Weekly Mail, obituary of Police Sergeant Martin Hartigan of the Reserve Police and dated the 24th of August in 1922.' Police Sergeant Martin Hartigan saved Mr Mainwaring Deputy Inspector General from being wounded during the early stage of the Moplahs Rebellion. ''''Obituary-Our Calicut correspondent writes: I regret to record the death on Saturday last at the age of about 43, from bronchial pneumonia of Sergeant Martin Hartigan of the Reserve Police and formerly of the Royal Field Artillery. The funeral took place on Saturday evening at the R.C. cemetery and was very largely attended, the Rev. Fathers Barratta and Rossi, conducted the service. The West Hill Detachment, Suffolk Regiment, furnished a firing party and among those in the funeral cortege was Mr Rowlandson D.S.P. The deceased was a keen and straight Police Officer. He wore the 1914 and 1915 Star, the Victor medal, the General Service medal, the Long Service medal and the medal for Malabar Operations. During the early stage of the operations against the Moplahs Sergeant Hartigan was instrumental in saving Mr Mainwaring D.I.G. from being wounded.

Hi Mike, I enjoy hearing about other people's collections and it makes you think, for example, after years of collecting I am still trying to find my perfect way to display my collection. I get hooked when there is a story behind the medal, a small story or a big story, it does not matter, just something I can relate to. Anyway, I am not very artistic but I do think many of the medals, especially the older medals, are really quite stunning and beautiful and are really almost works of art. So I will added a couple of photographs to highlight my point. I have also added a photographs of the dress medals [miniature] that belonged to Norman E. Q. Mainwaring. These are extremely well detailed and I think they may be of silver. I am not an expert in dress medals so I might be wrong. Alan.

Hi Paul, Wow.....I can't even begin to imagine what a collection of 800 medals looks like. At the height of my collection I had approximately 130 medals and I thought that was lot. My wife did buy me a copy of ''Taming the Tiger'' for my birthday and when I was researching Norman Mainwaring's medals....I did get thoughts that it would be nice to have a Leinster or Dorset Regiment medal, just to compliment Norman Mainwaring's medals but I managed to resist the temptation. Instead I have decided just to take my time and read about the various campaigns in a leisurely fashion from my copy of 'Taming the Tiger.' Alan.

Hi, In 1921 the Moplah leaders and rebels wanted an Islamic state free from the British and also from the Hindu majority in India. The local authorities knew they had to act quickly and so they decided to send a force to arrest and capture the agitators. In the early hours of the morning of Saturday the 20th of August in 1921, District Magistrate Mr Thomas and accompanied by Mr Fraser the Assistant Magistrate and a force of 100 Reserve Police under the command of Mr Hitchcock Superintendent of Police and a detachment of 70 British soldiers from the Leinster Regiment under the command of Captain McEnroy arrived in Tirurangadi. An additional supporting force of 60 Malappuram Special Police under the command of Mr Lancaster Assistant Superintendent of Police and Norman E. Q. Mainwaring Deputy Inspector General also arrived in Tirurangadi. The operational plan was to arrest a number of Mapilla leaders and also search for weapons. The force raided the Khilafat Headquarters and the Mosque and some residential houses in Tirurangadi. The search of the Mosque was done in a respectful way but the rebels soon spread stories that the Government Forces had desecrated a holy site. Large bands of rebels soon formed up to attack the police and soldiers. At about 11.45am information was received that approximately 2,000 Moplahs from Tanur had come by train to Parappanangadi and were advancing on Tirurangadi. It was decided to go at once and meet the mob. The column consisted of Leinsters and the Reserve Police led by Messrs. Mainwaring and Hitchcock on the left and Messrs. Lancaster and Amoo Sahib on the right and with the Malappuram Special Force in the rear. At approximately 12.30am and a mile and a half from Tirurangadi, the column encountered a mob of armed Moplahs numbering between 2,000 and 3,000 who were given official notice to disperse but they continued to advance. The rebels had a reputation for being fierce fighters and unafraid of death and would have used swords and clubs etc. The Police then fixed bayonets and charged at the crowd. At close-quarters the Police started to take casualties and which included Mr Lancaster taking a blow to the head. The Police then opened fire and this drove the mob backwards and resulted in 9 rebels killed and 3 rebels wounded. One rebel leader was captured and 40 rebels were taken prisoner. One of the dead rebels was the flag standard bearer which I believe is probably the flag that was given to Deputy Inspector General Norman Mainwaring, later in the campaign. The column then returned to Tirurangadi and the rebellion had now officially started. The rebellion would last for approximately 6 months. Alan.

Identifying Norman Elliott Quintin Mainwaring. Along with Noman Elliott Quintin Mainwaring's medals came approximately 60 photographs, 6 negatives and some other paper items. Most of the photographs were scenic views but some did have people included. Unfortunately, it was impossible to identify Norman E. Q. Mainwaring. There was also a hand made booklet celebrating a social outing by a group of individuals who visited ''Vellore Jan. 21-22 1916,'' and a copy was given to Norman Mainwaring by ''Lady Pentland with her compliments.'' The first picture in the booklet was of Norman Mainwaring but the picture was extremely small and even using a magnifying glass his facial features were blurred. By getting the photograph digitally enhanced/enlarged, it was then possible to identify his general facial appearance. The facial image was then compared to four of the negatives and there appeared to be a real chance that they all referred to Norman Mainwaring. The negatives were very old 110mm size negatives and had to be developed at a printing lab in Glasgow. It can be reasonably cheap to develop such negatives at a good photographic lab. When the photographs came back, it proved we had identified Norman E. Q. Mainwaring and all because a hand made booklet had survived 103 years.

Hi Mike, I would have just called it the ''Indian Coronation medal for 1911'' but I believe the correct term is ''The Delhi Durbar medal 1911.'' It commemorates King George V's Coronation and Royal visit to India and I believe 26,800 medals were issued and many medals were given military personnel. [Officers and Regiments] They were issued unnamed but Norman Mainwaring's medal is very neatly engraved, as all his medals are. I know Norman Mainwaring's medal was issued by the Indian Mint because of the design of the claw. Norman Mainwaring was obviously still residing and working in India during this period. I must admit this is a nice medal, solid, heavy and a very attractive medal. Alan.

Hi Paul, These medal were not really in my collecting area but when I read the story and began researched them......I got kind of hooked. I know what you mean about the gallantry and I enjoyed reading some of the stories about life in India during this period. I think the Indian General Service medals for 1908-1935 are extremely interesting, even although, I have only recently read about the Malabar Rebellion. regards, Alan.

The King's Police medal...………………………... Norman E. Q. Mainwaring was serving as the Deputy Inspector General of the Madras Police when he was awarded the King's Police medal for Distinguished Service in the New Years Honours List as published in the London Gazette for the 1st of January in 1920. A newspaper cutting from the time states that his award was for his work as District Superintendent and Deputy Inspector General of Police for a period of some 20 years, ''who by his energy and long experience gave material help to establishing the Police School at Anantapur.''

Norman E. Q. Mainwaring, Deputy Inspector General, Madras Indian Police. Norman E. Q. Mainwaring was involved in the operations that occurred on the first day of the 'Malabar Rebellion' and then during the following 6 months that the rebellion lasted. From the start of the rebellion, the rebels attacked the railway network, Government buildings and offices. They attacked anything that was associated with the British Government including British individuals and their families and they also attacked the local Hindu community in general. In official reports, Norman E. Q. Mainwaring is mentioned on various occasions and which also included his involvement in heavy fighting with the rebels. I will list more details relating to this matter later. Norman E. Q. Mainwaring, Deputy Inspector General and the Reserved and Special Police units were fully deployed to quell the uprising. Norman E. Q. Mainwaring was officially given a captured, 'Khalafat Flag,' from the Madras Government and which is officially recorded in the records. Unfortunately this was sold separately from the medals so the flag is no longer part of the group of items that remained together. Here are some photographs of Norman Mainwaring...………………..

Hi, I will probably have to make several entries to cover 'Deputy Inspector General Norman Elliott Quintin Mainwaring's story,' especially because I hate typing and get bored with it so quickly. But here goes anyway :- The group of three medals consist of the following and they are extremely nice both in their condition and in their appearance. [a] King's Police medal for Distinguished Service, GVR Coinage bust. [N.E.Q. Mainwaring, Dep. Insp. Gen. Madras Police]. Indian General Service medal 1908-1935, 1 Clasp ''Malabar 1921-22. [N.E.Q. Mainwaring, D.I.G. Police]. [c] Delhi Durbar medal 1911, in silver, engraved naming. [N.E.Q. Mainwaring Indian Police. Delhi. 12th Decr. 1911]. [d] All the medals are individual mounted and the King's Police medal comes with the original case. There is also the recipient's matching original miniature group of the three medals, his Indian Police Cap Badge silvered and with the black backing cloth and two tunic ribbon bars etc. General family details of Norman Elliott Quintin Mainwaring :- Norman E Q Mainwaring was born in Thayet, Myo, Bengal, in India on the 20th of July in 1867. Norman's parents were Reginald Quintin Mainwaring and Charlotte Law Mainwaring. [nee Pinson]. Norman's father was a Colonel in the Indian Army and on his retirement was given the honoury rank of Lieutenant General on the Reserve list. Reginald Quintin Mainwaring was also elected and became the Mayor of Bath. Norman's mother Charlotte Law Pinson was the daughter of Major General Albert Pinson. Norman's older brother 'Charles Vaughan Mainwaring' and was also a Colonel in the Army and so we can see that the ''Mainwaring family,'' were part of the higher end of the social scale in Victorian England/India. By the England Census of 1881, 1891 and 1901, we find that Reginald Quintin Mainwaring's family home is at 24 Marlbro Buildings, in the Parish of Walcot, in the District of Bath. By the 9th of May in 1888, Norman Elliott Quintin Mainwaring is residing and working in India. [Madras Police ie Superintendent]. On the 18th of February in 1899, Norman E Q Mainwaring marries Irene Lytton Tredway-Leonard, in Bangalore, Madras, in India. In the England Census of 1939, Norman E Q Mainwaring is recorded as being a widow and his occupation is listed as being ''Indian Police Retired.'' He is residing at Hay, Breconshire, in Wales. In 1940, Norman Elliott Quintin Mainwaring [73] died in Hay, in Breconshire, in Wales. Will add more shortly...……………...

Hi, Police Constable 353 James Saveall served in the City of London Police, in approximately, the same period as Police Constable 881 Edward Watkins. There is a previous entry regarding PC 353 James Saveall. The research recorded below, on this Police Constable's career, specifically examines his rewards/disciplinary records and to try and get an insight into City of London Police life in Victorian London. James Saveall was born in Rainham, in Essex, in 1852. On the 5th of March in 1874, James Saveall joins the City of London Police. James was 21 years and 3 months old, had brown hair, hazel eyes, a fair complexion and was 5 feet 9 inches in height. James Saveall's previous occupation was recorded as being a, 'porter.' Police Constable Saveall was issued with the collar number of 353 and the warrant number of 4798. 30/8/1875. Absent from his fixed point [SE end of St Martins-Le-Grand] ……….Admonished. 20/11/1876. Absent from Special Post, 15 minutes ……….to forfeit his next fortnightly leave. 20/10/1879. Old Bailey trial of Charles Williams for theft and pocketpicking and stealing 9 shillings and 9 pence. Police Constable 353 James Saveall arrested the prisoner. The prisoner was found guilty and sentenced to 7 years penal servitude. 10/12/1879. Sitting down in a shop whilst on duty ……….to forfeit his next fortnightly leave. 6/10/1881. Granted 14 days leave, on full pay, upon the Surgeon's recommendations. 23/12/1883. Sitting in a room and gossiping with a watchman ……….reduced to 2nd class of pay for 6 months. [No community policing or Christmas spirit there.] 21/2/1885. Granted 14 days leave, on full pay, upon the Surgeon's recommendation. 12/6/1886. Taking malt liquor whilst on duty ……….pardoned. [Lucky chappy.] 9/8/1886. Absent from part of his beat for 15 minutes ……….to forfeit one days fortnightly leave. [They must have been allowed, 'call on nature breaks?'] 11/6/1887. Neglecting to discover a padlock unfast all night ……….reduced to 2nd class of pay for 6 months. [That is actually quite a heavy financial penalty over a six months period.] In 1887, Police Constable James Saveall was awarded the Queen Victoria City of London Jubilee medal for being on duty during the Queen's Parade through London. In 1888 whilst the Jack the Ripper murders were occurring James Saveall suffered a personal tragedy ie between October and December his wife died and he was left to raise their children alone. This would have been an extremely difficult time for Police Constable James Saveall. 15/8/1889. Awarded 10 shillings for conspicuous courage shown in arresting a man for furious driving. [Good one James.] 16/12/1890. Granted 21 days sick leave on full pay. 26/10/1891. Neglecting to take steps when informed that a youth had taken poison ……….admonished. [Obviously there is more to the story as he is only 'admonished.'] 6/2/1894. Absent from his special post and inside a railway station for the purpose of drinking ……….reduced to 2nd class. [That was silly.] In 1897, there is a newspaper report regarding a City of London Police sporting event and James Saveall participates in the 100m veterans handicap and is given a 16 yard start but unfortunately he does not win the race. In 1897, Police Constable James Saveall was awarded the Queen Victoria City of London Clasp for being on duty during the Queen's Parade through London. 9/3/1899. Retired on pension from the City of London Police and his conduct was recorded as being, 'Good.' Police Constable James Saveall was issued with the collar numbers of 353, and then 221 and finally his collar number was 380. On the 1st of December in 1938, James Saveall aged 86, dies on the Isle of Ely.

Hi, This is just a bit of fun regarding a postcard and its indirect connection with the, 'Jack the Ripper story.' This is an early postcard that was sent on the 13th of November in 1902. The sender was, ''S H Joseph, Bookseller,13 Newnham Street, Goodman's Field, London E'' and related to the forwarding of a sales catalogue. The postcard measured four and a half inches by three and a half inches. I am sure Ripperologists will recognise the address. Albert Backert wrote more than a dozen newspaper articles, mainly between 1888-1889, regarding Jack the Ripper. Albert Backert also took over from Mr George Lusk as the Chairman of the Whitechapel Vigilance Committee in 1889. By all accounts Albert Bachert appears to have enjoyed basking in the publicity relating to Jack the Ripper, In the England Census of 1881 and the England Census of 1891, we find that Albert Bachert is residing in the family home at 13 Newnham Street, Goodman's Fields, in London E. Albert's parents are of German origin and his father is a successful tailor. Albert Bachert is recorded as being employed as an, 'art engraver or copper plate engraver.' [various spellings of his surname] In 1891, Albert Bachert was arrested in a butchers shop in Whitechapel for being drunk and disorderly and was found guilty and fined by the court. This conviction infuriated Albert Bachert especially as he appears to have had a high opinion of his own self-importance. There are numerous other stories regarding Albert Bachert but after the mid-1890's he disappears from the newspaper columns of the London Press. I would also suggest this is also probably the same period when he leaves 13 Newnham Street, Goodman's Field in London E. Obviously, Police Constable 881 Edward Watkins and the other Police Constables previously mentioned, would read the daily newspapers and probably knew the local characters like Albert Bachert, They may not have known him personally but I would suspect they would have known his name and reputation. I have included a sketch and photographs of the postcard etc. All just fun and speculation.

Hi, That's is one of my big weak spots......London topography......I don't connect between the locations. It would be very nice if PC 881 Watkins, PC 882 Phipps and PC 811 Raven were all serving at Bishopsgate/Bishopsgate Street. New Union Street appears to be in Cripplegate/Station More Lane area [I think] but at the trial in 1889, PC Raven took the prisoner back to the police station and City Detective Henry Costin then interviewed the prisoner at Seething Lane Station/Tower Street. So maybe that is important. I suppose you could live and work in the City of London Police area and be stationed at almost any of their stations. Any suggestions would be most welcome. The good thing is that we might find out more, about these 3 Constable's, at some latter stage.

Hello, This is another City of London Police Constable that served at approximately the same time as PC 881 Edward Watkins. It can be interesting to compare their police careers. Police Constable 811 John Stephen Raven served in the City of London Police from 1879 to 1904 and he was considered to be a very good policeman and he had only two minor infringements in his personal records ie in 1880 and 1886 refer. John Stephen Raven was born in Lambeth, in London, in 1855. In the England Census of 1861, John is 6 years old and his father William Raven [36] is listed as being employed as a carpenter and the family are residing with William Raven [84/carpenter] at 12 Devonshire Street, Trinity Newington and who is John Stephen Raven's grandfather. In the England Census of 1871, John is 16 and listed as being employed as a carpenter, just like his father and grandfather and the family are residing in Wandsworth All Saints. On the 9th of January in 1879, John Stephen Raven joins the City of London Police, collar number 811, warrant number 5266. I believe he may have been stationed at Cripplegate. [ See later census records - he is residing in this area.] John Stephen Raven was described in 1879 as being :- [a] 5 feet and 11 inches tall. grey eyes. [c] Brown hair. [d] fair complexion. [e] Single. On the 13th of March in 1879, 'Certificated fit for the Service,' rate of pay 25 shillings per week. On the 19th of June in 1879, John Stephen Raven marries Hannah Eliza Hench at Tooting Graveney, in Wandsworth. On the 18th of March in 1880, 'Advanced to 2nd Class rate of pay of 28 shillings per week.' On the 9th of September in 1880...………...Police Constable 811 John Stephen Raven was disciplined for, 'neglecting to report or take any steps respecting a fire,' reprimanded and cautioned. In the England Census of 1881, Police Constable 811 John Stephen Raven and his wife Hannah are residing at the family home at 31 New Union Street, in St Giles Without Cripplegate. On the 15th of November in 1883, 'Advanced to 1st Class rate of pay of 31 shillings and 6 pence per week.' On the 7th of June in 1885, John Stephen Raven and Hannah Eliza Raven baptised their new-born daughter Grace Edith Raven and the records record the family home as being at 31 New Union Street, in Cripplegate. On the 23rd of September in 1886...……… Police Constable 811 John Stephen Raven was disciplined for, 'not taking to Station a P.O. Savings Bank Book found by a boy and handed to him,' awarded the loss of one day's leave. [Maybe he personally returned the Savings Book to the owner/maybe he was hoping for a reward/who's knows?] In 1887, Police Constable 811 John Stephen Raven was awarded the Queen Victoria City of London Police Jubilee medal for 1887, for being on duty during Queen Victoria's parade through London. In 1888 during the, 'Jack the Ripper murders,' Police Constable 811 John Stephen Raven was serving with the City of London Police and may have been stationed at Cripplegate. On the 16th of September in 1889, Police Constable 811 John Raven gave evidence at the Old Bailey trial of James Dysen on theft and simple larceny charges. It would appear that Police Constable 811 John Raven took the prisoner to Seething Lane Police Station and the prisoner was late found guilty and was sentenced to 12 month's hard labour. On the 29th of September in 1890, 'Awarded a 15% pay increase to 36 shillings and 3 pence per week.' [I believe the Police pay had fallen so far behind that they had to greatly increase the basic pay and therefore they received a 15% increase.] In the England Census of 1891, we find that Police Constable 811 John Stephen Raven and Hannah E Raven and their daughter are residing at 26 New Union Street, St Giles, Cripplegate. In 1897, Police Constable 811 John Stephen Raven was awarded the Queen Victoria City of London Clasp for 1897, for being on duty during Queen Victoria's parade through London. On the 15th of November in 1900, 'pay increase to 40 shillings per week.' On the 12th of December in 1900, 'Advanced to Merit Class of Pay of 42 shilling and 6 pence per week.' In 1902, Police Constable 811 John Stephen Raven was awarded the City of London Coronation medal for 1902, for being on duty during the Coronation Parade. This medal is missing and out there somewhere. On the 14th of January in 1904, Police Constable 811 John Stephen Raven retired on a pension of £66.10s.7d.and his conduct was officially recorded as being, 'Very Good.' In the England Census of 1911, we find that John Stephen Raven is now recorded as being a, 'Police Pensioner and Gatekeeper.' The family home is located at 23 Barnsbury Park, in Islington. On the 22nd of April in 1930, John Stephen Raven dies in London. [Police Constable 811 John Stephen Raven appears to have been a very steady and reliable and professional Police Constable and this appears to be confirmed by the initial research which has been done. I originally 'e' mailed the 'Enquiry Team' with the 'London Metropolitan Archives' to confirm that there was a personal file available on him. I then paid a £20 fee to obtain the breakdown of what was in his personal file/costs for photocopying and therefore you only need to order what you think is important. L.M.A. excellent but could get expensive.]

What a story and to have found the newspaper article on the death of his father in 1848...…...that was a great piece of work. Your City Police Constable Joseph Daniel Phipps is certainly a very interesting man.

My apologies ………………………………….it has only just clicked...………………..the importance of King's Block and the events in Mitre Square in 1888. City Police Constable 882 Joseph Phipps and his family were residing at King's Block in 1891 and this is confirmed by the England Census of 1891. It is certainly possible the Phipps family were residing there earlier and maybe even in late 1888. It would be great if you could find some documentation which pointed in that direction ie baptism record etc. Maybe even in his City of London personal file, if one exists. Police Constable 882 Joseph Phipps could have been holding back the crowds in Mitre Square or he could have been at home with his family in King's Block and seen the events begin to unravel outside. Either way it could be a win, win, for your story.

Hi, I always think it is interesting, the old newspaper accounts about what happened in 1888 and I have not seen that Seatte Daily Times article before but it is very interesting. The one point I would highlight is the fact that.........''PC 881 Edward Watkins did not blow his whistle on that famous night. On day 1, Thursday the 4th of October in 1888, at the inquest on the death of Catherine Eddowes, Police Constable 881 Edward Watkins stated, ''I did not sound the alarm. We do not carry whistles.'' This is one very obvious area where the City of London Police trailed behind the Metropolitan Police in the introduction and issuing of Police whistles, as a means of summoning assistance. On day 2, Friday the 5th of October in 1888, at the inquest on the death of Catherine Eddowes, the night watchman of Messrs. Kearlay & Tonge's Tea warehouse in Mitre Square, Mr George James Morris stated, ''I ran up Mitre Street into Aldgate blowing my whistle all the while.'' George James Morris was a retired Metropolitan Policeman and even he had a Police whistle and so when PC 881 Edward Watkins requested his help in obtaining assistance, he was able to complete that task successful. There is a well known newspaper sketch of PC 881 Edward Watkins raising the alarm by blowing his whistle and I think this is where most of the confusion began, in regard to how the alarm was raised on that very famous night. It was Police Constable 881 Edward Watkins who guarded the body and crime scene and who delegated George Morris to raise the alarm and to get further assistance. The photograph of King's Block is excellent.

Police Constable 882 Joseph Phipps is a very interesting character and your research is very impressive and you make a very strong case that these two individuals would have certainly known each other and the potential Mitre Square angle is fascinating. Now that you have highlighted, ''PC 882 Joseph Phipps,'' I have a feeling that after 131 years, his story is coming alive again and I am sure you will discover more. Alan.

Hi, This is the partly researched story of a doctor that resided in London just a couple of years after the, 'Jack the Ripper murders.' It should also be remembered that there were several scares that, 'Jack the Ripper,' had returned between 1889 and the early 1890's. People are still fascinated by the Jack the Ripper case, even after a 131 years so imagine the interest there would have been in 1892. Frederick Linney Pochin M.D. & Surgeon would have been an interesting individual to talk to about what the medical fraternity thought of the man who had committed so many horrific murders. Frederick Linney Pochin was born in Wigston Magna, in Leicestershire, in 1864. Frederick's parents were Samuel Davenport Pochin and Helen Elizabeth Pochin. Frederick's father was originally listed as a, 'grocer/butcher' and in a later census as being a, 'quarry owner and manager.' In the England Census of 1881, Frederick is now 17 years old and his occupation is listed as being a, 'Civil Engineer.' He is boarding in Yorkshire and his parents are visiting a relative in Wales who is the local Magistrate and farm and quarry owner. He obviously did not enjoy his profession as a Civil Engineer because he then starts to train as a doctor. Sometime between April to June in 1892, Frederick marries Annie Louise Moorwood who also came from a good Victorian family and it is then that I believe they moved to London and he set up his medical practice in the Old Kent Road. The Medical Register of 1893, records Frederick L Pochin as residing at 763 Old Kent Road, in London SE and his qualification were, 'M.B. Mast. Surg. 1892 University of Edinburgh.' In 1897, Frederick was awarded the Queen Victoria St. John's Ambulance Jubilee medal and it is engraved to, 'Hony. Surg. F. L. Pochin M.D.' Only 36 of these medals were awarded to surgeons and therefore it is a very rare medal. Frederick was also awarded the 18ct Gold St. John Ambulance Association Service medal which is engraved to, 'F. L. Pochin M.D. by members of the South Metropolitan Gas Co. No1 Division Metn. Corps. S.J.A.B.' Frederick also won the, 'South London Photographic Society medal for Landscape in 1897,' and this is engraved awarded to, 'F. L. Pochin M.D.' It would have been nice to have his thoughts on the 1888 crime scene photographs relating to Jack the Ripper. By the England Census of 1901, we find Frederick and his family have left London to live and work in Norfolk. Frederick Linney Pochin died in 1921, in Devon and in retirement from his medical career as a doctor and surgeon. Maybe he would have had a good perspective in relation to the 'Jack the Ripper events,' because he lived in London with his family shortly after the events had occurred. He certainly was up-to-date with the latest technology because he won the photographic award in 1897 and he appears to have been very successful in his medical practice and served in organisations like the St. John's Ambulance Association etc. Therefore he would have also known many other members of the London medical scene. Obviously, this is just speculation and having a bit fun but you never know what future research might uncover.

Hi, Two years ago, the following medal was on sale on ebay. It caused a bit of a stir because it was sold for more than what, most people, expected. It appeared to be just a run-of-the-mill Metropolitan Police Jubilee medal for 1887 and with the 1897 clasp. It was awarded to a Police Constable in Hammersmith [Kensington] or 'T' division. The seller was also selling the Police Constable's Coronation medal for 1911 separately. Here is a short summary of that Police Constables story and there is also a slight connection to PC 881 Edward Watkins story:- William Henry Saundery was born in Stoke, Climsland, in Cornwall, on the 16th of October in 1864. William H Saundery joined the Metropolitan Police on the 28th of February in 1887 and his full name was 'William Henry Philip Saundery' but he later appears to have generally dropped the reference to Philip. William is assigned to Hammersmith [Kensington] division and is issued with the warrant number of 72333 and the collar number of 621T. In 1887, PC William H Saundery was on duty for Queen Victoria's Jubilee Parade through London and was therefore awarded the Queen Victoria Metropolitan Police Jubilee medal for 1887 whilst serving with 'T' division. During the famous Jack the Ripper murders in 1888, Whitechapel or 'H' division was under great pressure and heavily over-stretched. Many police personnel were brought in on a temporary basis to assist in covering the days and night shifts etc whilst the investigating and hunt for Jack the Ripper continued. There was a small number of Police Constables who were transferred to Whitechapel or 'H' division on a permanent bases. Metropolitan Police Order dated 31/10/1888, lists such personnel and PC William H Saundery is one of these officers and he then became PC 471H William H Saundery of 'H' division. This immediately helped to increase Whitechapel or 'H' division's establishment figure and to maintain that number nearer to the real establishment figure it was suppose to be at. I would suspect all Metropolitan Police divisions in 1888 were running below their full establishment figures. The 43 Police Constables who were immediately transferred into Whitechapel or 'H' division were all '3rd Class Constables' in rank. It is reasonable to suggest most of these Police Constables would have only recently joined the Metropolitan Police over the last couple of years. Whitechapel or 'H' division was known for being an extremely difficult area to Police and so not everybody wanted to be posted to this division. PC 881 Edward Watkins with the City of London Police was hunting Jack the Ripper and now we know, next door, in Whitechapel from the 31st of October in 1888, Metropolitan Police Constable William Henry Saundery was doing the same. PC William H Saundery remained with Whitechapel or 'H' division until the 8th of February in 1890 when he transferred to Whitehall or 'A' division. Therefore he served in Whitechapel during part the Ripper the Ripper period and also through the period after 1888 where murder scares were about that Jack the Ripper might be returning. Maybe after all the excitement of serving in Whitechapel, he could not settle in Whitehall or 'A' division because on the 26th of August in 1890, PC William H Saundery transferred to Holborn or 'E' division. In approximately 1893, William Henry Saundery marries Mary Ann Young who was born in Brentford, in Middlesex, in 1868. On the 27th of December in 1893, PC William H Saundery joined Highgate or 'Y' division. In 1897, PC William H Saundery was on duty for Queen Victoria's Jubilee Parade through London and was therefore awarded the Queen Victoria Metropolitan Police Jubilee Clasp for 1897 whilst serving with Highgate or 'Y' division. In 1902, awarded the Metropolitan Coronation medal whilst serving with Highgate or 'Y' division. in 1911, awarded the Metropolitan Coronation medal whilst serving with Highgate or 'Y' division. On the 4th of March in 1912, Police Constable William H Saundery retired on pension from the Metropolitan police and Highgate or 'Y' division. In 1913 between April to June, William H Saundery [48] dies, Islington in London. Sad he dies approximately a year after retiring. Unfortunately, on the day of the sale other collectors had understood the story behind William H Saundery and an appropriate value was then set on this medal but nobody seemed interested in his Metropolitan Police Coronation medal for 1911 and so the two medals were kept together. I had in my collection an unengraved example of the Metropolitan Police Coronation medal for 1902 and this was used as a filler medal so that the group could be seen in its full glory and photographs are attached of the medals etc.

The final part of the Police Constable Frank George Waylett's story and this is the story of an ordinary Police Constable walking his beat but with very specific skills in scale plan production which the Metropolitan Police would periodically use. Time after time he is involved in the most serious of Old Bailey trials which also included sentences of 'Death by Hanging' being handed down. Police Constable 881 Edward Watkins is obviously famous but maybe Police Constable Frank George Waylett should be famous too for different reasons. On the 4th of February in 1913, Robert Daley [36 stevedore] is on trial at the Old Bailey for the wilful murder of Elizabeth Daley. It would appear that Robert and Elizabeth Daley were on good terms but on the 31st of December Robert Daley had left the house at 6am to look for work but had returned to their rooms at approximately 10.30am and was drunk. They then started to argue and Robert Daley punched and kicked his wife who fell to the floor. Their 11 year old son witnessed the assault and gave evidence at the trial. A doctor was summoned but she died from effusion of blood on the brain. The post-mortem did not find evidence of bruising from fists or kicks and it was the medical opinion that it may have been her falling to the floor that caused the bleeding within the brain. Police Constable Frank George Waylett [KR] proved the plan. Mr Justice Ridley stated it would be unsafe to convict on the murder charge, rather is should be a manslaughter charge instead. On the advice of his council, the prisoner pleaded guilty to the charge of manslaughter and was sentenced to 18 month's hard labour. On the 4th of February in 1913, William Selby [27 stoker] is on trial at the Old Bailey for robbing with violence, Bertha Dagon [21 widow] and stealing a purse containing £3.10. and occasioning actual bodily harm. Basically William Selby chocked Bertha Dagon in her rooms and stole the purse. Bertha Dagon was then incapacitated for hours and was weak and faint form her injuries. Police Constable Frank George Waylett [K] proved the plans William Selby was convicted on the charges and confessed to 6 other convictions that were proven and he was sentenced to 18 month's hard labour. On the 20th of April in 1916, Police Constable Frank George Waylett retired on pension from Bow or 'K' division and the Metropolitan Police.

the continuing story of Police Constable Frank George Waylett………... On the 5th of November in 1912, William Charles Adolphus Beal [19] is on trial at the Old Bailey for the wilful murder of Clara Elizabeth Carter [17]. William Beal was an engineer and Clara Carter was employed as a packer. It would appear they were both on good terms and they had even got engaged but William could be jealous and controlling. They were out walking at approximately 8.30pm when suddenly Clara screamed for, 'help.' Various individuals came to her assistance and found her lying on the ground with her throat cut and bleeding to death and William Beal also had a superficial wound to his throat. William Beal was known to carry a razor and this blood covered razor was found at the scene of the crime. One witness actually saw the prisoner drop the razor as they approached the incident. Clara Carter had 3 life threatening wounds to her throat and any of these 3 wounds would have resulted in her death. William Beal attempted to suggest that it was Clara that had self-inflicted these wounds and then attacked him but the medical evidence did not agree with these suggestions. Police Constable Frank George Waylett and Sergeant Boustead of New Scotland Yard proved the plans and photographs for use in the case. Sergeant Boustead was obviously a Police Photographer with Scotland Yard. The jury found William Beal guilty of the charge but strongly recommended mercy on the grounds of the prisoner's age. Judge Lumley Smith sentenced the prisoner to, 'Death,' and William Charles Adolphus Beal was hanged on the 10th of December in 1912. The hangman Albert Pierrepoint told the newspapers that, 'William Beal walked to the gallows without support.' Nearly finished with Frank George Waylett but need to complete the story' later...……..